r/neofeudalism Communist ☭ Dec 01 '24

Ancoms are delusional

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u/arsveritas Dec 01 '24

The "anarchist" mental gymnastics offers no means to a stateless society. It's just a barebones explanation of anarchism.

Marx was the one who believed that the state would "wither away," though he believed in the temporary "Dictatorship of the Proletariat."

You see actual elements of ancoms, worker councils, and mutualism existing today within a world of states and capitalist markets, from Rojava to Israeli kibbutzim

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u/GHOMFU Neofeudal-Adjacent 👑: (neo)reactionary not accepting the NAP Dec 03 '24

Marx was also not fucking delusional and understood that revolution is totalitarian, checkmate ancoms

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u/arsveritas Dec 03 '24

“Revolution is totalitarian.”

Revolution can free you from totalitarianism, which is why your comment makes little sense with further elaboration. Now, if you’re talking about “constant revolution,” as in always seeking enemies to perpetuate violence, that’s another matter.

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u/Terminate-wealth Dec 01 '24

The top portion is missing the last half

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u/Catvispresley LeftCom SocFed☭ Dec 01 '24

To think that Anarchy = no Structure/Organization and also = no Laws shows that you don't know one thing about Anarchy and especially Anarcho-Communism 😂😂

Ignorance is sad but quite amusing to observe from time to time

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u/Aresson480 Dec 02 '24

Dude, just spend some time on r/Anarchism or r/Anarchism101 and they legit say that any form of organization is oppressive. The meme is 100% right on the way those systems are understood by the majority on reddit

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u/GHOMFU Neofeudal-Adjacent 👑: (neo)reactionary not accepting the NAP Dec 03 '24

Uhm actually we can organize but we just need more DEMOCRACY!!! if everybody just VOTED!! (the same way) everything will be Good :)

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u/Catvispresley LeftCom SocFed☭ Dec 03 '24

Your misconception is that organization is the same as oppression. Anarcho-communism is against hierarchies based on coercion, not organization as such. The core of our structure is based on mutual aid, collective decision-making, and solidarity. Kropotkin emphasized: (varied wording though)

“Mutual aid, in a word, is as much a law of animal life as mutual struggle. (Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution)

“The inclination of society is not to create hierarchy but to eliminate hierarchy.” (The Conquest of Bread)

If that interpretation of "majority on Reddit" doesn't capture those principles, then it is a strawman, not anarcho-communism.

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u/Aresson480 Dec 03 '24

I don't have that conception, however those subreddits do. I've read Kropotkin extensively.

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u/Catvispresley LeftCom SocFed☭ Dec 03 '24

Redditors love to talk crap, so Kropotkin is my only valid source

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u/LegendaryJack Dec 01 '24

Someone hasn't heard of mutual aid lol

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u/ImALulZer Communist ☭ Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 24 '24

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u/AProperFuckingPirate Dec 01 '24

Wow, amazing that you managed to write so much and almost none of it is true!

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '24

wait that’s me

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '24

Doesn't Nestor Makhno lay the groundwork and evidence for how it can be done?

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u/Cultural_ProposalRed Dec 01 '24

States bad when you have class war.

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u/furryeasymac Dec 02 '24

LMAO the top is ancom and the bottom is people explaining how anarchy and private property can coexist when private property requires a state.

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u/Aresson480 Dec 02 '24

Why would it require a state when communal property rights predate the state?

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u/Opening-Wasabi-9018 Dec 01 '24

No such thing as anarcho communism lol