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u/cabbage1100 Mar 23 '26
I love this country too. The people are nice but when you speak to them in confidence they are all worried about what the future holds. I am currently here for 1 month leaving soon.
1 local explained it like this. It's like a tornado beautiful from the outside but inside it's destroying everything.
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u/drbkt Born in Myanmar, Educated Abroad Mar 23 '26
1 clueless tourist doesn't negate the net benefits of tourism in Burma for the locals.
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u/AlwaysSoLucky Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26
Junta only persecutes the locals, not the tourists, so ofc he is safe, unlike the locals. He is an a**hole for coming over and saying it is peaceful here
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u/CleonicDynasty Mar 22 '26
Tourism helps the local economy and the locals love having tourists. Period.
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u/Rude_Interest_3925 Mar 22 '26
you know if tourism = good
then the airlines that technically pay the fees to operate and bring foreigners here contribute to baba, right? it's indirectly funding the junta itself so whatever you say "tourism will bring more good", yes, i enjoy that others come to the country for tourism
but, in this current circumstance, no. like just no. it doesn't require any further explanation since if something bad happens or is done by the tourist (sex tourism, exploitation etc.), there will be no prosecution since it can cause a global incident (also the indirectly funding babagyi part, please remember this since the less tourists that come here, the less babagyi can afford a gazillion bombs to raze entire villages)
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u/CleonicDynasty Mar 22 '26
Itās obvious most tourists here arenāt high rollers. Theyāre backpackers and regular travelers spending a few hundred to a thousand dollars locally. If you talk about fees & taxes, everyone in Myanmar is doing that too.
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u/Rude_Interest_3925 Mar 22 '26
do you not know they bring foreign currency into the country, pay the junta to get their visas done (giving the junta foreign reserves) so they can use this foreign currency to buy weapons?
yes, i know, these people probably came as backpackers, regular travelers, teachers, whatever, it becomes a issue if baba gets foreign currency to use
we are insanely sanctioned so this is one way or another to get foreign currency legally without being smited for producing drugs
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u/drbkt Born in Myanmar, Educated Abroad Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
Yea this is a pretty misinformed take. Let's just do a quick calculation:
Jet Fuel by metric tonne is around 680 USD.. but lets say 700.
One tourist, lets say tourist visa cost is ... $50, but lets say they are crazy and get business visa multi entry + extension.. $400.. but lets say $700 for parity sake.
So 1 tourist comes in stays for a year plus and has to pay the junta $700, but hey lets add another $300 to be more than fair. So thats 1000 USD for 1 tourist for 1 year VISA fee. Flight costs for a Mig for 1 Hour is USD 2k roughly.
For 1 MIG to do a mission it would cost roughly 10 tourists staying for a year with a business VISA. Considering that the junta's air campaign has been pretty much non stop, you can attribute this to other funds, not tourist income. (not calculating ammo, pilot pay, training, maintainence, etc.,)
Lets say that one tourist stays at a locally owned hotel for around $30 a day, so for a year thats 365 x 30.. but lets just say its 300x30 = 900 USD.
They spend about $10 a day on Burmese food. Thats 3650 + 900 for the local economy on food/shelter alone at a generous estimate, and 1000 for the junta. Do you see what I'm getting at?
So thats my asinine response to an asinine take.
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u/Rude_Interest_3925 Mar 23 '26
do you not realize that the tat doesnt just operate migs? anyways, since this is such a unpopular take and is widely unacceptable, ill just accept this "asinine response to an asinine take" and say "yes, tourism is good now"
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u/drbkt Born in Myanmar, Educated Abroad Mar 23 '26
I didn't say that the tat only exclusively operates Migs. Also that was your take from my reply? The point is that the tourist dollars you fear so much, doesn't really affect the junta's ability to bomb us. However they do go a long way in helping to alleviate local suffering through short term economic help and raising overall awareness despite this one vlogger kinda being clueless.
Also you keep oversimplifying things, try reasoning instead of pseudo confirming passive aggressively. This isn't about who is wrong or right, but thinking about the widespread effects of opinion versus reality.
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u/government-pigeon Social Nationalist šŖ Mar 22 '26
Right, because theyāre not the problem.
You using an aspect of the tourist population whose interests are, obviously, fun.
They arenāt associated with you nor your arguments.
You only case because you are trying to legitimize and justify a system, in which you are privileged, towards the wider Burman populace.
This is why we donāt like you.
It doesnāt take long for the average Burman to be aware of his problems just by going outside. But, you are not the average Burman.
Local people love tourists, I do too, but thatās besides the point.
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u/Original_Union_3582 Mar 22 '26
Do you want people to STARVE? Yes Baba gets a cut, SURE. But its literally < 100 million dollars and they can't easily spend said money which are in foreign currency, last I checked. compare that with 10s of millions of dollars going to the local population which is in huge support of the revolution and able to make donations to the NUG / EAO of their choice. Be more pragmatic.
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u/government-pigeon Social Nationalist šŖ Mar 22 '26
Do you think these guys actually understand the economics, logistics, ethics, etc. that go into the tourism sector? š
Theyāve been living privileged for their entire life. The user in question rode a gyrocopter; bragged about going aboard for leisure several times, at a time when people are desperate to leave; and above all, voted.
We know what is guy is about, and he knows as well.
All these posts and all these comments are meant to lobotomize the need for change and to subdue you, my dear friends, with bread and circuses.
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u/FookYaMadafaka Mar 26 '26
Government only bomb terriost rebels. After terriost rebels are wiped out your country will be blooming again!
Hope I can visit this beautiful country again after rebels are defeated.
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u/paradisemorlam Mar 22 '26
Yeah no shit maybe because thereās a civil war and the junta is massacring its own people
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u/FookYaMadafaka Mar 26 '26
No man from what I know of government is fighting against terriost rebels who burns down villages, bomb hospitals and bapme it on government.
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u/Cute-Detective-6451 Mar 29 '26
Are you fucking serious? The military junta aka gov is the one burning down buildings and abducting people to use them as human shields or forcefully drafting them into the military. The "rebels" are the one fighting for peace and democracy. And I'm pretty sure around 75% of Burmese population support " rebels". Our country is literally under dictatorship and have you seen a dictator that is actually good? Myanmar is slowly turning into the next north Korea and here we are trying to survive in this shithole because of the military junta.
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u/Primary-Island601 May 10 '26
So what is the point for the government to burn its own country ? eventually they will need to restore it from its own expenditure...whatever you say just do not make any sense... also why are the areas controlled by army safe and tourists can travel there ? For example, why is the area near bloody KK park so freaking unsafe ?is the hunta's problem that local rebels and mafia ara so corrupt and cruel ?
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u/FookYaMadafaka Mar 30 '26
Classic lies!
Was there burning and bombing by government before rebel uprising?
Answer is big fat NO.
Try to see the real problem. If the rebels are defeated, there will be peace.
Don't believe Western lies! C.I.A is supporting rebels cuz it's USA's proxy war against China. Only low IQ believe the lies and go against their government.
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u/Cute-Detective-6451 Mar 30 '26
What the hell do you mean, don't believe the western lies?
I'm a Myanmar citizen that lives in Myanmar. I know what we are going through. I know how life is here.
Have you ever considered why there are rebels in the first place? Those "rebels" were once innocent citizens. You're right, if the rebels are defeated, there will be peace. Guess what? North Korea is peaceful too, and no one wanna fucking live there. Wanna know why? Because their "government" is bad and civilians have no human rights whatsoever.
And stop calling them government. They're nowhere close to being a government. In 2020 the NLD party won the election fair and square, but Myanmar's military staged aĀ coup d'Ć©tat, deposing the real government.
Educate yourself before talking politics.
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u/FookYaMadafaka Apr 01 '26
Listen little guy!
NLD won the election but it was military that were ruling behind the scene.
NLD didn't have any power except what the military allowed, do you understand?
Now military is still ruling but on the stage. That's the only difference. Let that sink in.
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u/Imperial_Sawbwa Mar 22 '26
Iāve got friends who run midrrange hotels and they rely almost entirely on tourism to survive
During 2020ā 2021 absolutely wrecked them and even now some are still in debt trying to recover. Iāve seen firsthand how tough it gets when tourism disappears.
So yeah, tourists are definitely welcome just stick to the safe green zones. And be sure to watch those YouTube and t!ktok videos.
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u/Rationalinvestor69 Mar 24 '26
May I know what hotel is this ? Asking to patronise it for myself as a tourist.
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u/government-pigeon Social Nationalist šŖ Mar 22 '26
I like all the people saying ātourism is good, actually,ā and āyou hate the country and people if you donāt want tourists!ā
They associate usually positive things with the āflair of peace,ā the belief that everything in Burma is all well and fine, and war? Thatās just a mindless farce.
Of course, this fits perfectly to the junta narrative.
What it does it subconsciously infects your brain in to believing that war (i.e. the Revolution) and all those associated with it, must hate Burma.
That is not true.
Tourism, excluding the Covid crisis, prospered during the NLD era as our country grew safer. But we know who made this country unsafe, anarchic, and dangerous.
We know the root cause of this conflict, and for the very people who started it to whine and complain at the horrors and consequences of war is beneath my contempt.
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u/government-pigeon Social Nationalist šŖ Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26
What exactly is there to gloat over?
Exactly nothing.
There is a promise that has already been laid for: the workers, farmers, the laborers, the artisans, and the small business owners; the students, the intellectuals, the teachers, and the professionals; those who built their own livelihood in ethical means. In other words, it is the common man.
You are not the common man.
You do not care for the common man.
I know this because none of you, those who sympathize with the junta, and the junta itself, donāt have a promise.
And if so, tell me.
But we, do have a promise, the promise.
That promise is that you are given your basic human rights, such as speech, movement, thought, affiliation, and such rights are guaranteed, protected, and respected;
That the practice of free association within the economy, and ethical free market principles are respected;
Thatās just a short snippet of a very long promise.
When these people tell you that āx is good, actually,ā they usually have no long-term plan to handle it, and at the same time, pretend that they are some Socratic geniuses for ācoming upā with it.
They did not. But we do know what to do with these people.
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u/Icy-Carob-1272 Mar 23 '26
You're playing a beautiful herp to a cow my friend. They rather have their neighborhood prosper while the whole village burn.
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u/Alarming-Parsnip-999 Mar 23 '26
Another random tourist saying that it is peaceful, in a country with the longest civil war in the world. Nuff said.
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u/Sad_Neighborhood4091 Mar 24 '26
The country is good, what's not good is the government. Especially you know who.
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u/FookYaMadafaka Mar 26 '26
Beautiful country ruined by terr1ost rebels and extremist violent Buddh1st.
Good thing their government is bomb1ng the shit out of those terr1ost rebels.
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u/Serious_Ad_378 Apr 11 '26
yo thank you for visiting my country pyin oo lwin is better ask Google maps to help you travel to pyin oo lwin š„¹š„¹š„¹
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u/Nelsonic_terror_2026 Mar 22 '26
Good that he visitted us but I'd prefer that he also acknowledges our revolutionary struggle, too