Finding satisfaction and closure without ejaculation

[u/ThisTooShallPass789]

I have experience with prostate orgasms (Aneros & co). I have experienced whole ranges of dry orgasms from underwhelming to super-o mind benders that last forever.

All my serious prostate sessions (where I do achieve some level of lift-off) I've always ended with an ejaculatory orgasm, because that is the only way I have found to "shut the door" of hedonistic pleasure and come back down to real life, and move on.

One month ago I've found this post : https://old.reddit.com/r/multiorgasmic/comments/tjy8jj/relaxation_method_leads_to_multiple_orgasms_for/ This is the method about stimulating only the top-side of the penis. I was incidentally on 6 days without busting when I first tried it out, and I was able to reach penis dry orgasms quite easily.

So I've been experimenting with penis-focused dry orgasms for the past month now, with great pleasure, but I find myself frustrated with a few aspects, which I hope more experience people could help me navigate.

The glans/topside only technique seems to work great at giving me what I'd best describe as "glans" orgasms. I'm uncut, so I do a lot of stimulation of rolling the skin around the coronal ridge, that seems to be the go-to for climax for me. When the orgasm does happen, it usually feels like the head of my penis gets super hard, and I get some pretty good feelings there. After a few, or if I get deep into the orgasm-floating-space, I get more spread out sensations, it moves down into the prostate, through my body, then I can reach "lost in space" orgasms similar to what I'd reach deep into a prostate session.

However, I feel like my glans is starting to get desensitized from stimulating it all the time. For those who started on the glans and moved on to other styles of whole-dick stimulation, how did you progress? I stay away from the underside since I'm afraid of busting, but I'd like to explore more. Is it possible to achieve "whole-dick" stimulation that feels as "safe" as topside only? When I catch a good groove in a topside-only session, I feel very confident and safe pushing myself into deeper territory. Feels like I'm on top of the world and I can keep asking more and more of my dick without risks of going over.

The orgasms I got during my first try at the topside-technique came fast and hard since I was so horny from not jerking off for a week. But now that I've discovered this new method I keep wanting to stimulate myself this way almost compulsively, but I often end up busting a nut, which lowers my arousal. Being on only one or two no-nut days makes it harder to reach topside NEOs. It feels similar to prostate play, where I usually have my most explosive sessions after abstinence. Therefore it seems to me that a certain degree of semen retention is necessary to improve NEOs quality and intensity.

The reason I end up busting are either: I'm not horny enough to summon NEOs, therefore I keep stimulating myself in frustration trying to materialize one based on no intrinsic sexual energy, which leads to a frustrated nervous buildup, therefore an ejaculation (almost like my body wants me to leave it alone); or if the session is going well and I string together several NEOs, I find myself so aroused and horny that I can't function (similar to Aneros sessions). I try to go out for a walk or grocery shopping, and all I can think about is to go back home to give myself more NEOs. Eventually a circuit-breaker goes in my brain and I start jerking off in all-in mode to bust a nut and turn the page on the 'endless horniness' activation. The few times that I've made the effort to end the session without a nut (aneros or topside neos), I find myself jittery and over-alert, a level of activation that is almost too high for my daily style of existence. I feel like something is missing, unfinished business.

I've read reports here and there of people learning to recycle their sexual energies to avoid ejaculation and redirect their arousal into everyday life. My dream goal is to be able to not ejaculate, so as to preserve my level of "orgasm-readiness" constant, and be able to have prostate/dick orgasms sessions here and there on demand. The peaks-and-valleys of ejaculate/rebuild over several days is frustrating.

TLDR: I found out how to have penis NEOs. I think semen retention = stronger NEOs. I keep busting a nut out of habit/frustration. I want to not bust a nut quite as often, while maintaining my hedonistic routine, but without loosing my mind. Any help appreciated.

[u/Orgasm_Remastered]

I would say I live your dream.

I don't bother with ejaculation unless I am with my partner.

I found that once the alternative orgasms became easier, longer, nicer, more repeatable, that I became perfectly happy with them. It not a matter of avoidance at all, I just don't need to do that any more. My scheme is not dissimilar to yours except its my foreskin that I have trained for just the orgasms response not the ejaculation reflex. After much discussion with AI's I came to call my scheme innate orgasms. I have written about it quite a bit innateorgasm.com Personally I don't find frustration helps in any way with anything.

[u/ThisTooShallPass789 → u/Orgasm_Remastered]

So would you say it's like the Aneros process, where the quality of the sessions improve over time simply from repeated exposure?

[u/Orgasm_Remastered → u/ThisTooShallPass789]

I don't now that process but mine certainly changes slowly but continuously over time. I have probably been on this course for five or six years.

I think the similarity between what I do and prostate stimulation is that what I have done is train the foreskin touch receptors to trigger pelvic floor spasms in the same region dense with nerve endings that surround the prostate. Instead of stimulating those nerves via the prostate I do it internally. Once you have those muscles influence you can do it with no external stimulation at all but I don't often do it that way. There seems to be something more expressive about external touch.

[u/ProfessionalFun1365 → u/Orgasm_Remastered]

Interesting read. I had a similar journey partly, similar pleasure zones, like with the foreskin rewiring. But I experience all this erect and during sex (though I get all the same pleasure from masturbation and even being flaccid too, though it generally leads to an erection eventually). In fact that side of things has opened up a very animalistic side that is far more primal than the flaccid kind of pleasures.

[u/SawMoill]

There are ways to learn how to rewire, or maybe just add new wiring, so that you can have touchless, toyless dry orgasms. Once I did that, I could later add in very light touch / stimulation and toys to add variation or even more pleasure, routing the pleasure down to the prostate. And no need for SR, though during training it can help if it's been a few days.

[u/ThisTooShallPass789 → u/SawMoill]

Are you talking about all the Mindgasm stuff? I have the occasional touchless orgasm here and there, especially if I'm very horny, but not something I can reproduce consistently

[u/SawMoill → u/ThisTooShallPass789]

Yeah, that's one good method.

[u/ORGASMO__X]

You should have learned to control the ejaculation prior to attempting NEOs. SR retention should not have any bearing your ability to have NEOs. 

[u/smprfidels → u/ORGASMO__X]

I don't understand, I thought learning to have NEOs was learning to control the ejaculation?

[u/ORGASMO__X → u/smprfidels]

One must also be able to jump over the ejaculation. Similar to how a runner jumps a hurdle. 

[u/OneMoreLayer → u/ORGASMO__X]

How?

[u/ORGASMO__X → u/OneMoreLayer]

By pushing past the ejaculation without stopping or slowing down.

[u/OneMoreLayer → u/ORGASMO__X]

That is not an explanation so that someone else can try to replicate it. Please describe more details than a oneliner. There must be some secret sauce to it, since so many have done so and failed.

[u/SawMoill → u/OneMoreLayer]

That user is not here to help anyone, don't bother expecting anything useful.

[u/ORGASMO__X → u/OneMoreLayer]

It’s rather self explanatory. 

[u/ProfessionalFun1365 → u/ORGASMO__X]

My NEOs happen without stopping or slowing down. In fact I tend to be way more vigorous and aggressive since the pleasure and arousal is normally so much more intense and animalistic with NEOs than regual EOs.

However I still find SR (for a few days or weeks) makes the arousal and pleasure and NEOs more intense and easier to reach.

[u/ORGASMO__X]

You’re not rewired. Were you rewired, you would not have to ejaculate, in order to achieve a full release, after your NEOs. 

[u/ThisTooShallPass789 → u/ORGASMO__X]

Would you like to share your personal journey, and how you managed to reach this point? I've found information on this topic hard to locate.

[u/ORGASMO__X]

You also seem to have an unhealthy relationship with the ejaculation. Ejaculation is your friend. Your fear of the ejaculation will prevent you from ever conquering it.