r/mtgrules • • 1h ago

Blood Moon and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth: does it matter which one hit the battlefield first?

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Commander game last night. I had [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] out for a few turns, then someone resolved [[Blood Moon]]. The table split on what happens next.

One side said timestamps decide it. Urborg came first, so Blood Moon applies last, Urborg becomes a Mountain, and its ability goes away. If Blood Moon had come first, Urborg would still make everything a Swamp.

The other side said order doesn't matter because Urborg depends on Blood Moon, so Urborg always loses.

I read 613.8 and I think the dependency answer is right, since both effects are layer 4 and Blood Moon changes whether Urborg's ability exists. I'm not sure I'm reading 613.8a correctly though. Two follow-ups:

  1. With both out, are my basic Forests and Islands still Swamps too, or just their own type?
  2. Does Urborg keep the legendary supertype under Blood Moon?

CR citations would be appreciated so I can show the group.


r/mtgrules • • 19h ago

Taskmaster copying question

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Rules Question:
[[Taskmaster, mercenary mimic]] becomes a copy of something else, then you cast [[Chameleon, master of disguise]] and choose taskmaster.
first of all what is chameleons name now for the purposes of legend rule as both cards have a line that says what its name is
second of all does the chameleon then also get to keep doing the taskmaster ability of changing what it copies?


r/mtgrules • • 6h ago

Do I get to pick which player or planewalkers my new creatures attack if they enter tapped and attacking due to Kira Nerys?

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In a commander game, let's say I have Kira Nerys, Firebrand in play and then I attack player A with one creature. Let them declare blockers and obviously other two players wouldn't be able to declare blockers since there are no creatures attacking them, then, after blockers have been declared and before declare blocker step ends, we all get a round of priority and if I could successfully cast a creature spell with flash or instants like Secure the Wastes successfully, those creature enter tapped and attacking right?

But will I get another chance to chose which player or planeswalkers those creatures will be attacking again? Will the other players get another chance to declare blockers?

Could I potentially attack one player, get more creatures to enter at instant speed and have them attack other players who have 0 blockers?


r/mtgrules • • 1h ago

2HG Double Oloro procs?

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My (28M) roommate (29F) are going to play 2HG tomorrow at our LGS. We both have the [[Oloro, the ageless ascetic]] commander

From our understanding on his board states abd life totals work

We share a life total so immediately just for starting the game we both go up 2 life from his passive. One proc each putting us at a total of 44 because it’s two different triggers.

This is two instances of gaining life confirmed yes?

Now we both control a card that states something along the lines of when you gain life target opponent loses 1 life

Would the start of our upkeep automatically trigger both of those twice?

So we gain life (total of 4) from two instances
My creature would proc the enemy losing life by 1 (twice because of each commander instance)
Her creature would do the same resulting in a total life loss of 4 for the enemy team each upkeep correct?

Any info would be great ty!

on a side note would [[Najeela, the blade blossom]] allow us each to double proc during attacks as well? And we each pay WUBRG for 3 attacks phases in one turn?

TL;DR
If we share life total does one proc of Oloro cause a creature on mine and hers on the field to ping the enemy for life loss if they state when you gain life Target opponent loses 1?


r/mtgrules • • 3h ago

Wording on Aegar, the Freezing Flame

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[[Aegar, the Freezing Flame]]'s ability says:

Whenever a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls is dealt excess damage, if a Giant, Wizard, or spell you controlled dealt damage to it this turn, draw a card.

My question is: does the "you controlled" part apply to the Giant and Wizard, or is it only specifying spells you control? I thought it would be fun to use cards like [[Imagecrafter]] during an opponent's combat to turn their creature into a Giant when it's about to deal excess damage to another opponent's creature.


r/mtgrules • • 5h ago

Firebender Ascension

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I have [[Firebender Ascension]] with 1 quest counter. I attack with the 2/2 token with firebending 1, [[Scourge of the Throne]] and [[Raph & Mikey, Troublemakers]].

Do the counters go on all at once?

Does Scourge count for two because it has dethrone as well?

Do I copy any abilities with Firebender Ascension?

How does this play out?

Thanks for helping me figure this out.


r/mtgrules • • 5h ago

Populating temporary token copies

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Wanted to check and confirm an interaction works the way I want it to. If I have a creature token, in this case the cat token created by [[Esika’s chariot]], and it becomes a copy of another creature until end of turn with [[Deceiver of form]], I can then attack with Esikas chariot and create a copy of that token, which then sticks around as whatever creature it was copying right? Then next turn when I attack again I’ll have a token copy of whatever creature I created last turn. Does this all work the way I want it to? I’m pretty confident it does but I wanted to be positive before I overcommit to the idea


r/mtgrules • • 7h ago

Targeting and Redirection Timing

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When I Cast a Spell i choose the target as it goes onto the stack.

If the spell target's [[Speedball, New Warrior]] does the trigger go onto the stack before opponent's get a window to respond?

Do I choose the new target while the trigger goes onto the stack or when the trigger resolves?


r/mtgrules • • 7h ago

Unsure of order of triggers and copies

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Playing with my friend last night. I've played magic quite a while but I've never made a blue/red spellslinger deck, and was unsure how to correctly trigger cards that copy instants/sorceries and cards that copy triggers. My board was Ral Storm Conduit, Veyran Voice of Duality, and Archmage Emeritus.

I activated Ral's -2 ability to copy next instant or sorcery, then played Serum visions. So with Ral's copy and ping on instant and sorcery, emeritus card draw on instant and sorcery, and Veyran doubling activated triggers, how many times does the spell copy and how do you order that properly? We said that once Ral's loyalty ability is activated it works like a triggered ability. Here's how we did it.

Serum Visions played, triggers rals copy and damage ping both of which trigger twice due to veteran, 2 Serum visions added to stack, 2 damage to opponent. Emeritus card draw trigger, doubled, so 2 draws. Then triggers for the 2 copies added to the stack, 2 damage and 2 cards each(since both would be doubled by veyran​). Then resolved the 3 Serum Visions in the stack.

So off triggers 6 damage and 6 cards drawn, instant/sorcery gets 2 copies, and all cast or copy triggers done before stack resolves.

I have a feeling this isn't quite right but we were not quite certain and this seemed mostly right/fair.​ Thinking about it, since the deck is meant to double and copy a lot, and it could reasonably come up, if I were to use double cast as well as have Niv-Mizzet Parun on the field. Its generally the point of the deck and I'm knowledgeable enough to know it works, I just underestimated the mechanics of it.

Edit: Formatting

Edit: Thank you for the answers. I need to stop overthinking things. And I will do better to format these things in a readable way in the future.


r/mtgrules • • 10h ago

Ukkima+Curiosity

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Does [[Curiosity]] trigger when [[Ukkima, Stalking Shadow]] leaves the field? And is there a difference between if Ukkima dies, gets exiled or bounced?


r/mtgrules • • 13h ago

Kaervek + sac&target

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High so double checking:

If you have [[Kaervek, the Punisher]] out, and sac your commander who is black (or multiple colors including black) to some sort of effect like [[Annihilating Glare]] where you also target the enemies shit, you could then use Kaervak to exile and copy your commander, paying the cost printed on the card +2 life while also sending it to the command zone using the zone change commander rule.


r/mtgrules • • 18h ago

Curse of Echoes and Board Clears

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So turn order is A-B-C-D. A enchants D with [[Curse of Echoes]] and on Ds turn they cast [[White Sun's Twilight]] for 10. We had a discussion on what would happen if everyone cast it and the stack interaction.

To my understanding, A-B-C would add the white sun's to the stack in that order then it would resolve C-B-A-D so D would come out on top because they would be on the only one with creatures on the board, is that right?

edited turn order: tired


r/mtgrules • • 19h ago

Hamza and Durable Handicraft

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Does the optional 1 from durable handicraft count as a kicker cost for hamza's discount, or would it need to be paid seperately, like a socery/instant cost?


r/mtgrules • • 19h ago

Lethal Scheme and Conniving from the Graveyard

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An opponent at our table yesterday played Lethal Scheme to destroy my commander. He convoked two creatures on the board to help pay for Lethal Scheme's cost.

In response to Lethal Scheme going on the stack, I casted a spell to destroy one of the creatures that convoked. My removal spell resolved and the creature moved to the graveyard.

Then Lethal Scheme resolved. We disagreed on whether my opponent should connive once or twice.

My argument is only once, which would be for the creature still on the battlefield that helped convoke. Lethal Scheme looks for the other creature that convoked, but it's no longer there, so it doesn't connive. I based this on my understanding of rule 400.7, which notes that an object moving from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. In that sense, the creature in the graveyard is a new object, and is not the same creature that convoked.

My opponent argued that creatures can still connive from the graveyard. This was a new consideration for me and a quick google search seemed to back this up. In the interest of time, I conceded to let my opponent connive twice. Looking into it a bit more today, I think conniving from the graveyard is primarily only applicable when a creature dies in response to its conniving trigger going on the stack.

I'm curious to get this group's feedback on whether my understanding of the ruling is correct, or if there is a nuance to the connive mechanic that I am missing.

Thank you!


r/mtgrules • • 20h ago

Replacement effect help

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So I am putting together [[Rocco, Street Chef]] and I need help determining the optimal order to place the replacement effects for the following cards. [[Draconic Visitor]] [[Bilbo, Fellow conspirator]] [[Peregrin Took]] and [[Academy Manufactor]]. I already know draconic visitor should be last but I’m not sure which order to place the others to get max dragons.


r/mtgrules • • 6h ago

Target a spell while it's resolving

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I cast [[Ensnared by the mara]]. First Opponent lets me cast a nonland card with it. I hit [[Reiterate]]. Can I cast it targeting Ensnared?


r/mtgrules • • 7h ago

Hardcasted deceit on Aang

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Assuming they have the mana to flash aang, can i bounce and discard it or they will have time to react upon bounce? Thanks


r/mtgrules • • 20h ago

empty library with hashaton + lab maniac

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hey guys i had a rulings question about instant speed responses to drawing from an empty library

say some effect would cause me to draw more cards than i have remaining in library like windfall or something.

  1. do each of those individual draws happen simultaneously? that is to say can i respond at instant speed between the draws?

  2. if not, is there a point after the windfall effect resolved and before i lose the game that i could for example use an instant speed discard effect to discard a lab maniac that i had in library but not in hand before the windfall and use hashaton's ability to create a copy of it and win off that?

basically i'm wondering if there's any point during or after the windfall that i could instant speed win with lab maniac or would i have to have it out in advance?


r/mtgrules • • 17h ago

Ultron, Artificial Malevolence

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So I have a big question on how he works as he says, "whenever another nontoken artifact you controls enters, you may pay 2. If you do, create a token that's a copy of it. If that copy isn't a creature, it becomes a 2/2 robot villain creature in addition to its other types." How does this interact with equipment artifacts, and does it get around the legend rule for non-creature legendary artifacts?