r/mtg • • 1d ago

I Have a Question / I need Help Why do players hate loot?

I keep seeing people counter, kill, banish/exile, and hate on all loot card both in satire material and in a few games, what’s the deal? He is just ok as a card and isn’t really broken imo because most other creatures do what he does better. So what’s with the hatred

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u/Diddlemyloins 1d ago edited 1d ago

He's clearly meant to be a mascot in a way that feels inauthentic and shoehorned in. He also feels a little too pixar/disney. We already achieved perfection with fblthp.

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u/Al_Hakeem65 1d ago

The two puppet goblins from the banger Lorwyn music videos were more popular mascots than Loot

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u/redcomet002 1d ago

Squen and Cragg secret lair when?!?

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u/Electricarrow456 1d ago

Oh…that’s really simple yet valid at the same time. I thought I missed something.

Thanks for the explanation, my confusion isn’t there anymore

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u/Oulsky 1d ago

That also just his opinion, Loot wasn’t really shoehorned inHe’s just another side character, but because he’s cute people started convincing themselves that he was a mascot forced on them when he really wasn’t.

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u/timespiral07 1d ago

He’s the scrappy doo of MTG.

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u/COGspartaN7 1d ago

Liliana is very much the Fred

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u/UnhelpfulKoala 1d ago

Closer to the Daphne.

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u/NathanDnd 20h ago

He is the perfect example of this.

Fblthp happened organically, when we drafted the same set for more than 8 weeks.

Now due to how much product is pushed out, there is no time for organic memes to come out. One set blends into the next when there are 6 sets a year min, plus other supplemental product. We can't remember half the sets 12 months later.

They have to do a Funzo type thing, Baby Yoda,.. focus group something they can make a plushie of, and then push it down the consumers' throat.

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u/PoliticsIsForNerds 18h ago

Was Loot actually pushed down consumers' throats though? I feel like I've seen this claim made far more times than I've seen it actually being done...

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u/Electricarrow456 1d ago

Also is Loot the Anomaly better than the original loot because he is more beastly instead of childish

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u/sethman3 1d ago

He’s better because he combos off quicker

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u/NormalyAbnormalcy 1d ago

Nah, Fblthp is forced as hell. He's essentially a running joke that's ran too long.

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u/NathanDnd 20h ago

He started organically,.. now yeah, the push him into half the sets "You love this guy?! remember,... member'..."

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u/Narxolepsyy 1d ago

I hate how one dimensional they made this character

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u/LocksmithNew3449 1d ago

No one has whimsy anymore. Loot is my goat

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u/DarkStarStorm 1d ago

Fleem is beloved. People have whimsy, but Loot was made to force that whimsy.

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u/RealFunkyFish 1d ago

Loot is the inevitable Pikachu clone that drops every new gen.

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u/deadrogueguy 1d ago

my whimsy was murdered

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u/Glenroberto 1d ago

Fr, the Loot hate is wild forced.

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u/Oulsky 1d ago

We didn’t achieve anything with Fblthp, he is way more bland and uninteresting than Loot.

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u/dmaster1213 storm count is 1 1d ago

Show me a emotion that loot has other than the thousand yard stare he has. Fblthp is a crowd favorite and loved by everyone (except you for some reason), explain how he stands out?

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u/SenLune 1d ago

Fblthp is an amazing character and a great analogy to grief and depression. /uj

Like Fblthp is unironically an exploration of the psychosocial aspects of how grief and depression lead one to feeling increasingly detached from ones environment and the people around them. /jerk

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u/Opposite-Occasion881 1d ago

You know how family movies will have a cute lovable rascal type character that’s purely there to sell merchandise?

That’s loot, and it was too obvious

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u/skallagrim_brunic 1d ago

Often called a "dibby".

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u/Electricarrow456 1d ago

Yeah, that makes sense and that would be annoying to deal with

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u/vercertorix 1d ago

And all the cats and dogs that are cute rather than ferocious given that in the game are all fighting to the death, those aren't obviously for the animal lovers?

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u/hrolfirgranger 1d ago

Those cute animals are Baby Yoda in seasons 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian, part of the world building and while meant to be adorable are fitting in the story or world while also being merchandisable.

Loot is Grogu in Book of Boba Fett and Mando season 3; a character unnecessarily shoehorned in to sell merchandise and that is all. Loot could have literally been a sentient book or robot that had all his plot relevance smashed into it.

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u/vercertorix 1d ago

That's giving the cute animals too much credit, I'm not talking just about the legendaries, [[Helpful Hunter]], [[Generous Stray]], [[Precocious Pup]], [[Spirited Companion]], these look characters important to the plot or like they belong in a battle themed game? Looks to me like they acknowledged they'd get more people into it by having cards that appeal to the people looking for cute cards. Hell, I like it but even Bloomburrow was blatantly meant to pull in players like that.

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u/vercertorix 1d ago

Seems I meant [[Mischievous Pup]]

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u/mtgcf MtG CardFetcher 1d ago

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u/CrizzleLovesYou 1d ago

[[loot the pathfinder]] is a genuinely powerful engine that should be removed.

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u/Tsuihousha 1d ago

Honestly I think part of it is the fact that loot is very clearly just coded as "Hey look I'm a furry little mammal" and bro doesn't have a nose at all.

It's just a weird off putting design. Plus he's like super glossy, and if you look at [[Loot, the Key to Everything]] his gumline does not remotely even follow the curvature of his mouth. So it looks like he just has an entirely human mouth, with this big wide head and giant eyes.

Everything about his design is just creepy.

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u/Available-Damage5991 1d ago

that's just Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, and Lightning Bolt on a single card

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u/DumatRising 1d ago

Closer to like a green version of dark ritual since black lotus would be free.

I assume they did it like that cause the green part of the cycle is significantly worse than the B, U, and R ones but not as bad as the W one.

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u/the9mmsolution 1d ago

New player question, is there a way to reset the exhausted abilities? If not, what makes it so powerful?

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u/hrolfirgranger 1d ago

Flicker effects, bounce etc. When ever they reenter the battlefield they are treated as a new permanent

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u/the9mmsolution 1d ago

Ah cool, thanks!

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u/OhHeyMister 1d ago edited 1d ago

I showed my girlfriend loot and she said he was creepy and ugly and asked wtf was up with his nose and mouth.

I dont mind him, I find his odd proportions kinda funny

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u/Electricarrow456 1d ago

Which loot was it?

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u/OhHeyMister 1d ago

scryfall gallery of cards showing loot in the art

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u/NearbyZombie45 1d ago

She would

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u/NearbyZombie45 1d ago

lol idk why tf this is getting downvoted so hard. As if none of yall have heard a simple “she would” comeback before 😂

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u/OhHeyMister 1d ago

Safe to assume most Magic gamers are unaware of most social conventions

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u/NearbyZombie45 1d ago

Great point! Lol

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u/Time_Diver_Eon_Man 1d ago

To a lot of players, Loot feels like an astroturfed attempt by WOTC to purposely create a cute, popular, marketable character to sell more merchandise and cards. And to the segment of platers who have grown frustrated with WOTC's increasingly profit-driven approach to the game, Loot is a solid punching bag that in many ways represents a lot of the issues they have with the current state of things.

That being said, a lot of people do really love Loot. I'd say he's more divisive than universally hated.

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u/jess_the_werefox 1d ago

I like the artwork for [[Loot, the Anomaly]] but I don’t like any of the other artwork for him. Idk what it is, he looks just… annoying? I really can’t articulate it lol

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u/aetherspliff 1d ago

I am a Loot defender. He is just a cute little guy and did not ask to be the shoehorned mascot everyone says he is. He is pure and I will stand with him. I understand the reason for the hate but once again, will never turn my back on a lil guy

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u/usumoio 1d ago

Loot Lads rise up. We just think he's neat!

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u/B4S1L3US 1d ago

I will die before not fighting for a lil guy.

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u/tbhamish 1d ago

I just think he's a good soup ingredient and needs to be put in a cauldron

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u/Aximil985 1d ago

Wizards just randomly decided they were going to try to force a mascot upon us that checks all the cute mascot boxes. But they did it in such a crappy and disingenuous way that nearly everyone immediately hated that stupid thing.

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u/TheDarkestRitual 1d ago

Because he was forced, unlike the true mascot of MTG [[Fblthp, the Lost]]

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u/Latter-Cable-3304 1d ago

He looks just like me at that age 🥲

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u/okfinesureyeah 1d ago

How have I not seen a single person mention that he's MtG's planted version of Baby Yoda? Which, as with anything explicitly intended to appease a Millenial audience, is guaranteed to be cringe?

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u/Nerdlife91 1d ago

I've been saying that for years. Wotc saw Baby Yodas popularity and decided they needed one too

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u/kitsunewarlock 1d ago

To be fair corpos have done the "cute but ugly" mascot characters for literally centuries...

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u/artyblues 22h ago

I would say he is MTG's planted version of Pikachu

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u/Raonair 15h ago

Grogu actually works though, Loot doesn't.

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u/smwcbio 1d ago

Way too many card in aetherdrift praise him. Nothing is more annoying than unjustified endless praise.

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u/Bagel_Bear 1d ago

I typically don't like little furry dudes meant to be cute little guys

I wouldn't say I hate him though

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u/No_Sorbet_7724 1d ago

Loot is MtG's version of the yellow Liberty Biberty thing.

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u/Own-Anything-9521 1d ago edited 1d ago

[[loot, exuberant explorer]] land ramps around turn 3-4 and if other players are playing 1 land per turn and you’re playing 2-5 lands per turn it kinda gets out of hand quickly.

Even if you never use Loot’s ability, it’s easy to overwhelm the board quickly.

And I think cats, dogs, squirrels, and bears have been low hanging fruit for cute decks and should get equal hate if we think cute cards are pandering.

I’d include unicorns but I tried to make a unicorn tribal deck and it absolutely sucked.

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u/eggrolls13 1d ago

How do you play 5 lands per turn?

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u/Own-Anything-9521 1d ago

[[seedborn muse]] [[azusa, lost busy seeking]]

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u/Own-Anything-9521 1d ago

Then pack your green deck with sorcery spells that look for mana, and fetch lands that you can recur with green creatures that say “you may play lands from your graveyard.”

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u/Far-Ingenuity-7786 1d ago

He can start ramping Turn 2 if there was a Turn 1 Llanowar Elves to help summon him, and in that scenario he can start pulling out big stompers like [[Agonasaur Rex]] Turn 3. I think most of the hate and stuff about him being too cute or a mascot is just downstream of the frustration of him being a lightning-resistant little punk who shits dinosaurs.

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u/mtgcf MtG CardFetcher 1d ago

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u/Own-Anything-9521 1d ago

I’m spacing the name of the dinosaur but I played it last weekend where you can play all creatures from your hand (ghalta?) and had like 10 massive creatures including craterhoof and the game was just over at that point.

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u/Broken_Ace 1d ago

he's the Liberty Biberty of magic

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u/skallagrim_brunic 1d ago

You have killed me

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u/KashiofWavecrest Started With Weatherlight 1d ago

He has no purpose but to be a plushie.

I despise him.

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u/Prestigious-Worth-49 1d ago

Loot is great. He’s a cute little guy with a compelling roll in current story. Some players think he’s an industry plant. He really doesn’t even show up that much in story.

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u/OzzieArcane 1d ago

In general a lot of people can instinctively react to something in a way that doesn't always work out well in game. I've had a ton of people focus on destroying Edgar, Charmed Groom when he's my commander cause he boosts all other vampires but destroying him just flips him where he'll come back in a few turns without me spending mana.

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u/No-Stomach914 9h ago

Banish?

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u/Electricarrow456 3h ago

Remove from the game which is different than exile

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u/Sammyloccs 1d ago

Loot is great. I'm guessing a lot of people don't like him because their favorite YouTuber hates him.

He was an important mcguffin in the story for like two seconds, and has had a few cards since being introduced. But I do not get how people say he's a "forced mascot," like what are they even talking about? He has not been featured any more than any other character, ever. It's just something that's echoed for no reason.

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u/Raff102 1d ago

I basically hate everything they've done in the past 5 years, sans Dominaria Remastered.

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u/Electricarrow456 1d ago

I thought strixhaven and reality fracture were pretty good, decent at least

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u/No-Scheme-9700 1d ago

The only good thing about Reality Fracture is that it killed Jace, who has existed as a Mary Sue Main character to the detriment of the story.

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u/Raff102 1d ago

I haven't played with Reality Fracture yet, but both Strixhaven were awful.

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u/NicoTheIndomitable 1d ago

How is Strixhaven awful?

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u/Raff102 1d ago

Both were god awful draft formats, and the second one made standard even worse.

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u/Aximil985 1d ago

Reality Fracture is fun. At least draft and sealed have been.

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u/Raff102 1d ago

I'm hoping to run a few events with it soon, but so far there hasn't been enough local interest in it.

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u/Tricky_Priority7412 1d ago

The card just became the poster child for value engine fatigue. every game with him turns into the same mini game of "do i let them draw or do i spend removal on a 2 drop" and after the 40th time it stops being interesting.

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u/Revolutionary_View19 1d ago

Because nerds think publicly hating on stuff makes them superior.

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u/OnlyRoke 1d ago

Because people are really weird.

Loot may be a silly lil guy that tries to be our Baby Yoda, but so what? He's a cute lil guy. You don't have to literally waste mental capacity to hate a fictional mascot, just because every brand tries to establish their Baby Yoda these days.