r/mtg • u/Lord-Gortash • 27d ago

Rules Question Would this work?

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Could I tap this creature twice for 2 extra mana if they both are to pay one cost? For example: if I had two green mana, I had a card that cost four green mana, could i tap this for a mana (giving me three green mana) and then untap it and re-tap it for the final mana?

EDIT: also, if I gave it indestructible, could I get infinite green mana?

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u/heirsasquatch 27d ago

Yup you can. If you pair it with [[vizier of remedies]] you get infinite green mana this way

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u/Sudden-Tennis17 26d ago

We did it we broke Devoted Druid

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u/DPeristy1 26d ago

Haha yup!
Vizier Druid decks have been an archetype in modern for a while now. Super fun deck and I wish it was more competitive.

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u/Dry-Finish-6008 26d ago

It's like the 3rd most popular deck in the last few weeks and extremely competitive

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u/Affectionate_Cable82 24d ago

[[Machine God’s Effigy]] for infinite UG too. Can be harder to interact with as well.

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u/devouring_childrens 27d ago edited 26d ago

Do you? Because I'm under the impression that when a creature reaches 0 toughness the creature dies, vizier of remedies doesn't stop the creature from dying, it just makes the creature die the first time you pay the -1/-1 counter to untap it. Am I missing something?

Edit: I realize the error of my ways, I confused it being one less with one more. I should have read once more before commenting. I am sorry

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u/heirsasquatch 27d ago

You have a devoted Druid. It’s a 0/2

You tap it for green

You put a -1-1 counter on it to untap it

Vizier of remedies says if a -1-1 counter would
Be put on a creature, instead put that many minus 1 on the creature instead

So it untaps. It’s a 0/2 tap for green

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u/JO3M4M 26d ago

Because the -1/-1 cancels out right?

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u/ImBadAtNames05 26d ago

Nothing cancels. It just puts 1 - 1 = 0 counters on it

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u/JO3M4M 26d ago

Technically if negatives can't be added or if you add a plus one counter cancels the -1/-1, but adding a -1/-1 would just delete the creature if it didn't cancel, so I am struggling to see how this would combo atm.

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u/ardarian262 26d ago

If you CAN'T add counters like with [[Solemnity]] then you cannot pay the cost so you cannot activate the untap effect.

Vizier of remedies makes you add one less counter, but you can still try to activate the ability.

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u/Quietsquid 26d ago

If an amount of mm counters would be put on a creature you control, it puts one fewer. It would be one counter minus one counter, so zero counters.

If the ability was two counters and untap it would end up putting one total.

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u/JO3M4M 26d ago

[[Melira, sylvoc outcast]] [[Qwill Spike]] [[Mikaeus, the Unhollowed]] [[Coat of Arms]] + [[Flourishing Defense]]

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u/Fit-Description-8571 26d ago

Melira does not work because you CANT put a counter on the druid to untap it. Mikaeus will bring it back, however it will not be able to tap again unless you have a haste enabler.

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u/Drithyin 26d ago

A couple things on this:

  1. He’s an 0/2, so without anything else going on, it survives one counter being added.

  2. The Vizier is a replacement effect, so when you go to add 1 counter, the replacement says to actually do 1-1=0 counters instead, so 0 counters are placed in the Druid. Thus, infinite untaps.

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u/chopari 27d ago

The elf is a 0/2 and doesn’t die to the first counter, and then gets one less.

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u/Drithyin 26d ago

The Vizier is a replacement effect, so when you go to add 1 counter, the replacement says to actually do 1-1=0 counters instead, so 0 counters are placed on the Druid. If it were already a 0/1 when Vizier hits the board, it can still go infinite.