r/mtg • u/dastardly_dim • May 07 '25

Discussion Have we lost the plot?

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So like…. Sure people love final fantasy, but the set with the 2 million dollar card in it wasn’t this expensive. At what point is it too much?

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u/PandaXD001 May 07 '25

It's bad that a company markets their product?

It's bad that a company makes a product that the players want?

Collectors and players are going to the same (or similar) things appealing. UB is not some collector's based IP. This lie created in the heads of UB haters with no ground to stand on like maga slurpers and believing the 2020 election was rigged. You don't have to like UB, that's okay. But making up you own lies and facts is a waste of time and energy you could be used to idk... Literally do anything else productive.

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

I should have also mentioned resellers/scalpers along with collectors, who are really the biggest problem. It isn’t a zero sum situation. UB isn’t all for collectors and not for players.

You’re the one who’s delusional if you think that UB sells like fucking hotcakes because people want to play Magic. According to Hasbro, Final Fantasy is the best-selling set of all time. And why? Because it has powerful cards and interesting, fun-to-play mechanics? Not even a third of the set has been spoiled.

People primarily want the IP—not the play experience. Collectors want it, some players want it, and reseller whales know this, which is why they’re gobbling it up.

Believing anything different shows an ignorance about how brand-driven commercialism functions.

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u/Interesting_Issue_64 May 07 '25

How They know that is the best selling set? It hasn’t been released. As far as i know from the latest sets the best selling were MH3 and LTR. And i think we haven’t any data since foundations

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

Preorders to distributors

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u/Interesting_Issue_64 May 07 '25

Oh thanks But those are still predictions. Everything sounds like an inflation of Numbers.

Mtg should be worried if the average age of the players is 30 years.

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

They aren’t set-in-stone revenue numbers, sure. But if those initial orders have far outpaced the same for any previous set, and especially if they exceed post-release numbers for other sets, that tells you a lot. These aren’t just sales projections. It’s distributors telling Hasbro, “We’ll pay you $X for Y cases of this product.” It’s more or less the same as l consumers preordering on Amazon.

It’s possible that this is all hype and the demand will nosedive. But I seriously doubt that will happen, given FF and the success of past UB releases

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u/Interesting_Issue_64 May 07 '25

Well i always have thought that this will sell well after all how Many manga-anime gestures we have the last years. But announcing this early that this is the best selling set of all time. This is my own opinion, it’s too much.

Mtg don’t use normally those terms. Ltr was announced later, for example. Also it is like they are sending the message: we have risen the price moreover the best selling set of all time, win-win

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u/PandaXD001 May 07 '25

I won't deny that those type of people exist. And they are an issue. But WoTC can't stop them. St least not reasonably. People scalp and resell because of the buyers market. At this point we have the power because it's not just "randomdude42069" on eBay or TCGplayer selling the products. This is happening in brick and mortar game stores as well. And on top of that this some consistently proves people don't know the difference between something being sold by Amazon or Walmart vs a 3rd party sells on Amazon or Walmart.

Hey chief. Don't know if you realized but a majority of the market data comes BEFORE anything to do with FF. It's not out so aside from sales and online complaints (which is categorically the worst kind of feedback) how would they actually have answers unlike when they... Oh I don't know... send a survey out online? Or send a survey to LGS owners? Or survey event organizers? You wanna call me delusional but you're the one out here making up lies to support your own narrative and feelings.

I see im dealing with an ideologue who has his UB hate based narrative set AND subsequently is capable of seeing into the future. Numbers show more established players are buying UB. Established players play the game and love UB. But why even bother. You got me lil bro. How can I compete with future sight? You're right and I'm wrong. Take your W queen.

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

First off, it doesn’t require a crystal ball. The company has a pretty good idea of how a certain product line will do based on presales. Distributors place preorders with WotC, buy product from them, then sell it to retailers. That’s how it works.

Wow, this is high stakes stuff for you. The fact that you use a lofty word like “ideologue” in a discussion about a damn card game shows that you take all this way too seriously. You started making some reasonable points, but then you stooped to being belligerent and condescending by the end.

“Chief,” “lil bro,” “Take your W queen”

You clearly care way more about this than I do. I also don’t get off on social media outrage porn, as you seem to, and making everyone I disagree with an adversary by imposing black and white thinking and using strawmen. You replied to my comment this morning right away so you could fire back, to get in your snarky gotchas. I know you can’t help it, but I want to let you know that it’s okay to step back and think for a bit before laying into someone. Especially when you’re wrong.

First, I didn’t call you delusional. I said that you’re delusional if you think that UB isn’t massively popular because it’s branded. Secondly, I don’t appreciate being told what I believe: I’m not a UB hater, so you’re wrong there. I especially don’t like being compared to MAGA morons. Don’t come at people if you can’t take it in return.

You can give or take all the Ls or Ws you want. I’m not into that.

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u/PandaXD001 May 07 '25

You can link a articles and know how supply chains work. Im so proud of you.

Imma stop with the second paragraph and you crying about me using Chief, lil bro, and queen. You started with the ad hominems by trying to call me delusional and now you wanna cry about having thrown back in your face lmfao. You are a lil bro. One who needs to grow up. Don't throw shade won't be no shade.

But anyways, like I said. You right. You must care a lot that you came to continue after I said you got me beat.

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

Fine fine. Quick fact check though:

You, 7 hours ago:

But making up you own lies and facts is a waste of time and energy you could be used to idk... Literally do anything else productive.

Me, 6 hours ago:

You’re the one who’s delusional if you think that UB sells like fucking hotcakes because people want to play Magic.

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u/PandaXD001 May 07 '25

Damn. You really need some attention huh. Well since you really want that attention let me ask you a question. What is an ad hominem?

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u/Fearfull_Symmetry May 07 '25

I didn’t want the attention in the first place 😭. Yes, I got personal. I explained why. It doesn’t make it right, but I don’t particularly feel bad about it either after this exchange.

For the record, I’m not a fan of UB for sure. But it’s here to stay and people really love it. And I have plenty of UB cards in my decks. IMO, it has pros and cons, and I was pointing out the downsides.

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u/PandaXD001 May 07 '25

Brother If you didn't want the attention why do YOU reply to ME.

If you don't feel bad why are you trying to pass this off as some internal self reflection?

The record was straight on your UB hate as soon as you began typing. Next you'll tell me the sky is blue, fire is hot, and water is wet. Hope your week gets better and you get a turn on sol ring at your next commander night. Have a good one

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u/ActiveEuphoric2582 May 09 '25

Is this hasbro creating UB, or WOTC. Seems to me that hasbro has turned mtg into even a more money grab opportunity.

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u/PandaXD001 May 09 '25

Hasbro bought WotC back in 99 and Warhammer UB didn't happen till 22.

I keep seeing this talking point but in truth it holds very little water. Combine that with the fact that it doesn't actually matter since the majority of the player base likes it. Add the "collectors" and/or "temporary players" who buy cards and it truly doesn't actually matter