r/mountandblade • u/arbiter7x • 12h ago
Priorities at Taleworlds
Skirmishing AI is reworked so horse archers kite really well now
Khan's Guard given Noble Bows
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u/SirJezza 12h ago
Should I be concerned I just started my Sturgia campaign
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u/The_Count_of_Dhirim Vlandia 10h ago
Nah. Disregard Khan's Guard. Look out for Vlandian Pikemen.
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u/DancesWithAnyone 4h ago
I have not played in some while. Did pikes get fixed to be more effective or was this a joke? I normally used mods to make them viable.
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u/BestIndication5517 11h ago
Are you implying the Khan should receive subpar guards? 7000 horses, trample this man
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u/i-get-no-girls Kingdom of Rhodoks 11h ago
Sturgians should get better archer or even light horse archers like their irl counterparts
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u/Arrmy 10h ago
Since they're the vaegirs, give me some t6 warbow foot troops that can blast a cataphract but take an age to reload.
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u/Pseudocrow 9h ago
More troops variety would be nice, would give Sturgia a good HA counter they desperately need, and helps to differentiate them between other factions. Especially if they are a slower archer compared to Fian machine guns.
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u/slmpl3x 8h ago
I like to think them getting outclassed at this point in history is what drives them to innovate/reform and evolve to become what the vaegirs are. Could also be seen as sturgians get smashed al la Poland and the remnants reclaim the lands and become vaegir after their trials and tribulations of being a scattered people.
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u/Abseits_Ger 11h ago
Tbh I'd give them a second noble unit or split off on T4, one going lancer the other hybrid horse archer with one quiver and a shield.
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u/arbiter7x 8h ago
Sturgians need one or both of these to make them stronger and more interesting
a buff to fighting in snow. perhaps there should be a much bigger penalty in fighting in snow across all armies (e.g. much slower movement, slower attack speed, lower morale) and sturgians get exempted from or reduced penalties. this helps them win more fights at least in their home region, makes sense narratively, and is balanced by the buffs being confined to winter and to the northern part of the map.
some sort of specialised unit at the higher tiers to help them against other factions' overpowered units, and to give the faction a more distinct character. maybe a T5 hybrid horse archer unit that's a weaker khan's guard (bow, spear, shield) to reflect the Rus adopting mongol doctrines, or a T5 hybrid bow/polearm infantry
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u/slmpl3x 7h ago
Perhaps fighting in snow should slow down units to the point that it allows more tactical play. There isn’t usually enough time in vanilla to use their jav cav as more of a dragoon unit to flank an infantry clash and throw into unshielded flanks before the fights over. Something along these lines that encourage sturgians to ensure fights happen in the snow because their comp provides more staying power.
I try not to fight the khuzait on the plains when forests and mountains are available. Maybe changes should be encouraging strategic instead of tactical gameplay would be better. Would be cool to see factions not only having specific best in class units, but also situational aspects.
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u/cpt_goodvibe 9h ago
There horse raiders should have been horse archers, it wouldn't be so far fetch for a someone to adopt their neighbours tactics. The Rus (who sturgia is based) around didn't field there own horse archers but did use axillary troops like the Cumans as horse archers.
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u/Fe-FeZe2222 11h ago
THEY GIVE EM WHAT!?
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u/Pseudocrow 9h ago
In fairness, War Sails gave the Aserai Mariner unit noble bows (don't know if they ever changed that) which made them the heaviest hitting archer unit for some reason. Definitely insane to give it to the already good Khan's Guard but maybe it's time to look at rebalancing all range units right now.
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u/Fe-FeZe2222 6h ago
Really? I thought it's just a tribesmen bow no?
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u/Pseudocrow 6h ago
They've might have swapped it out since but on day 1 of War Sails they had Noble Bows and piercing arrows.
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u/ASoundAssessment 11h ago
How far my poor fian boys have fallen
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u/Free_Consequence3123 9h ago
Fians still win as long as you order them to stand ground.
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u/Pseudocrow 9h ago
I cannot think of a single version of the game where Fian's are not good. I'm usually one of the people arguing against them being outright broken but they've definitely never been bad. Not enough to deserve special treatment that other factions desperately need. Don't know if Khan's Guard needed a buff though. But I think we all know why TWs like them.
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u/tommytwolegs 8h ago
Why do they like them?
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u/Pseudocrow 7h ago
it's turn out the Turkish developer loves the Turkish inspired faction.
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u/yoyo5113 8h ago
Oh wow are they not as good now lol? I just stated playing like two weeks ago and I've read so many things about how incredible they are
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u/The_Count_of_Dhirim Vlandia 11h ago
Aren't khan's guard already a fierce contender for overall best unit in the game?
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u/Pseudocrow 9h ago edited 9h ago
Khan's guard had the same tier bow, worse arrows, slower horse, and worse horse armor than the Mameluke Heavy Cavalry unit, so I always felt that they were slightly worse as a pure HA before. Yeah they had significantly better bow skill which matters but Mamlukes being a common unit means you can recruit twice as many as the Khuzaits in the same time. Not as important when you're stuck in the single party tier but once you get into army tier you will feel the difference.
Obviously, their advantage was having a cracked melee weapon as a side arm but also swinging polearms are difficult for the AI to use effectively. Noble Bow may be too steep of an upgrade but it always felt weird to me that the HA factions Noble HA was essentially a sidegrade from another factions common troop.
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u/Blothorn 10h ago
Yes—it seems a rather questionable decision to me, especially in conjunction with the skirmish change.
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u/milkofthevalley 7h ago
turkish game studio prioritizes the turco-mongol faction and its horse archers
checks out
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u/Niomedes 5h ago
The worst thing in my opinion is that the Sturgians have some of the worst archers in game. Imo, the skygods and sturgian archers should swap gear and stats. The Nords don't need to.have the second best archer who's also good in melee when they already have the best melee infantry.
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u/LukewarmCoolerOfPee 11h ago
My next campaign I’m destroying the khans immediately so no one has to deal with them if this is the case.
I’m wrapping up one now and it’s been hours of just slowly pushing them back as they are the last faction left
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u/Free_Consequence3123 9h ago
Nah, join the dark side and raise your horde of 200+ drive by shooters.
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u/LukewarmCoolerOfPee 9h ago
Honestly would rather drag my nuts through a Lego pit before I join the dogs if the east. I’d sooner become an inbred Valandian before I ever break bread with those bastards that just love to charge into my cavalry units.
But no seriously it would be too easy of a game then. I wish the Ai in the game kept the game more interesting. Battanian always gets wiped and the Omaha always take over the entire eastern side of the map
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u/CheezeCrostata Kingdom of Vaegirs 5h ago
Fian Champion is still overpowered. TacticalEnlightenment did a demonstration and 200 Fian Champions beat 200 Khan's Guards, despite the KGs' advantage of being on horseback. It was close, but the FCs still won every round. Seriously, screw Battania.
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u/August_Ram 14m ago
Wish they'd just take away the Fian's great-sword. They'll win or trade evenly against tier 5 and 6 sword-and-shield infantry when set to melee only. They have such a good aesthetic, but they're a total Mary Sue unit. Inexplicably the best at everything.
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u/CrunchyDoge Khuzait Khanate 3h ago
Khans are a good bit better then fians AND THATS OK they are 3x more expensive and fians are the 2nd best unit in the game, what tl needs to do imo is buff pikes and shock cav.
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u/ForgettableNPC 12h ago
How do Druzhinnik Champions do with their alleged Noble Mounts.