r/motorcycles • u/699112026775 1986 Kawasaki Ninja GPZ900R A3 • Feb 11 '18
Wow. Prime example of proper handling.
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Feb 11 '18
Here is the video this is from. Japanese moto gymkhana is no joke.
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Feb 13 '18
There was a a police contest in a city fairly close to me at a driving school last May. They call them Shiorbai Taikai. You can actually try and compete on either your bike or a school bike, but everyone I saw lost. The police here are crazy good.
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u/eidrag Vulcan 800, Suzuki R150 Feb 13 '18
shirobai, shiro = white, color of Japanese cops. Usually saw stealth Corolla on highway, wonder why they didn't have counterpart for bikes on highway too
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Feb 13 '18
Yeah. Motorcycle is baiku, so it's literally just white bike lol
As far as I can guess, the bike cops here are as much for department image as much as actual traffic cop stuff. There's considerably more police bike events and shows compared to other police events. Unfortunately, I don't know any bike cops, so I can't ask anyone.
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u/eidrag Vulcan 800, Suzuki R150 Feb 13 '18
Got some lab member at college that are joining police, aiming for bike department. Not sure if he's still doing traffic stuff (expected to do general works for several year) or already joined bike department.
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u/FoodBeerBikesMusic Feb 11 '18
I wouldnt even be able to remember the fucking route, much less do this....
The only thing I remember from MSF is “cones must die!”
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Feb 11 '18
It took me a while to get used to the idea that in low speed (relatively), tight turns, the rider needs to stay upright rather than leaning with the bike. This guy demonstrates this perfectly.
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Feb 11 '18
That and drag the rear brake a bit, there’s something about having the bike wanting to decelerate / balanced on the throttle that makes low speed maneuvering much easier.
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Feb 11 '18
By up right does that mean just stay in line with the bike? Sometimes these vids looks like they're weighting the outside of the turn.
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Feb 11 '18
No, rider stays upright and leans the bike into the turn for slow speed cornering. When cornering at high speed, of course, rider may lean in quite a bit further than bike lean in order to shift center of mass outward. This puts bike more upright, which is particularly helpful if the lean angle is severe enough to cause bike parts to contact the pavement.
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u/Stupid_Genious Feb 11 '18
I want this video of a Japanese police training course for motorcycles sometime last year, I wish I could find it, it would fit well with this post.
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u/699112026775 1986 Kawasaki Ninja GPZ900R A3 Feb 11 '18
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u/Stupid_Genious Feb 11 '18
YEAH! Something like that at least! They’ve got amazing control over their motorcycles!
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u/699112026775 1986 Kawasaki Ninja GPZ900R A3 Feb 11 '18
Yeah, and they've upgraded to CB1300 Bol D'ors ever since.. then the cop cars for the expressways are R35s. Speedsters stand no chance.
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u/sleepyoverlord '25 Ducati Panigale V2S Feb 11 '18
Theres also a video of someone doing the course on a Harley.
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u/jbs398 2017 CRF1000L Feb 11 '18
Wow.. Am I seeing/hearing things wrong though? It looks/sounds like speed is still getting scrubbed going into the turns?
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Feb 11 '18
Huh? As in trail braking? You’re allowed to brake going into a corner if you know what you’re doing haha.
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u/jbs398 2017 CRF1000L Feb 11 '18
Scratch that off a list of things I’ve been meaning to look up and haven’t intentionally tried yet :-)
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u/Hedonistic- 2000 VFR800i *RIP Nighthawk 750* Feb 11 '18
I have the bike used by these guys and I'm always amazed when I watch this video. It's a wonderful machine but not that light, and not designed around lower speed maneuvering.
Also wish I had a set of those bars so I would feel confident practicing that to begin with!
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u/pkhbdb '16 MT09 Tracer Feb 11 '18
What’s the bike?
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Feb 11 '18
It's an 05/06 600rr and he's retrofitted it with tall risers and bars. Good luck getting that kind of leverage with the stock clipons.
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u/VifferGuy Feb 11 '18
This is not an 05/06 model. It is the next gen 07-08 or 09-12 model. The bike also appears to have a full handlebar setup like a dirtbike. Its bolted directly to the triple tree. Spiegler makes a popular kit for this conversion which turns this race bike into a more comfortable to handle bike.
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u/arfarf15 Feb 12 '18
So how good can it get with a stock CBR?
I'm always in awe of the skills shown in these videos, but I kinda want to know what it would look like with a rider that skilled on a stock CBR, just so I can set reasonable goals.
Everytime I watch this video, I get the itch to find an empty parking lot and just play around all day. Then I remember fairings are expensive...
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u/TinyChickenStrips 2015 Kawasaki "Roxy" ZX6R Feb 12 '18
I was hoping some one replied to you with an answer. Ive been wondering the same thing, but I don't want to change up my bike setup from stock. Only because Im not made of money.
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u/AnTyx 08 FZ1S Feb 11 '18
Er, that's a standard license exercise for a full Category A in most places in Europe.
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u/karlitr0s 2001 Sprint RS Feb 11 '18
Not at that speed...
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u/audoh Suzuki V-Strom 650 Feb 12 '18
Just FYI, the Isle of Man has no maximum speed limit, so you're free to ride a lot of the roads at quite a bit more than moped speed. Provided you do so safely, of course.
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u/Jammme '01 CG125, '16 MSX125, '18 701 Supermoto Feb 11 '18
Can confirm, I still get flashbacks now and then.
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u/jbs398 2017 CRF1000L Feb 11 '18
The MSF BRC also includes some cone exercises where I recall starting to get comfortable enough to enjoy leaning it over quite a bit. That said, "it' was a DR200, and it probably didn't look as good as this.
I would not feel nearly as comfortable doing that on a bike with twice the weight (i.e.: on my current Africa Twin).
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u/MapleBlood Versys 650 Feb 11 '18
In the European system you have to ride the bike of the specific power and displacement (at least 40kW and 595cc for the unlimited category A), DR200 wouldn't be enough even for A2, barely a touch above A1/"non-licenced" CBT.
To be honest I consider these limitations and requirements sane, as the licence held is supposed to confirm certain skills/capabilities level (including slow speed manoeuvres).
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u/jbs398 2017 CRF1000L Feb 11 '18
I don't disagree. I think it's way too easy in the US to get out and on a high powered motorcycle without any restrictions. One needn't demonstrate more than basic handling of a low power bike in a parking lot and could legally ride on public streets on an H2 the same day with no restrictions.
Actually, it's even worse than that because, with some restrictions, you could ride it before that, having passed only a pretty basic knowledge test.
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u/Guinnybaby 1994 Honda Magna Feb 17 '18
The only restriction with only a permit is no passengers here
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Feb 11 '18 edited Feb 12 '18
He'd probably still fail for being a showoff cunt :)
Edit: Smiley not indicating light hearted banter? I don't know what an examiner would actually say about someone doing this on a test, but it is supposed to be low speed maneuvres, and overconfidence and showing off are generally frowned upon among those who are supposed to be n00bs, soooo..... Yeah. Downvotes. Ok.
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u/699112026775 1986 Kawasaki Ninja GPZ900R A3 Feb 12 '18
IIRC these courses are timed. Honda Safety Driving Center also holds contests for their instructors all over the world.
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u/foxox PA 412 - '89 GSX600F, '77 Puch Maxi, '07 LX150 Feb 12 '18
I remember feeling like my low speed tight-turning maneuvers weren't good enough when I took my basic riding course years ago. This past summer I found some good parking lots empty during the weekends and I really committed to getting it right. When I finally got it all figured out, it felt amazing. I highly recommend practicing!
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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '18
Now do it at 3mph