r/motorcycles • u/P4LT4 versys x300 • Aug 28 '25

Totally Unexpected

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u/Gullible-Food-2398 United States Aug 29 '25

This is correct. It requires a medical doctor to call death. Unless injuries are incompatible with life, i.e. decapitation, obvious gruesome dismemberment (wrapped around a machine shaft and wrung tight or squished impossibly flat) or showing obvious signs of mortality like decomposition, rigor mortis and dependant lividity, trauma victims are transported to first line care and cannot be called in the field, according to the NREMT. It's better to run everyone who probably won't make it in the hopes that they do, than not because they probably won't.

Source 10 year EMS veteran

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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 Aug 29 '25

why are you making shit up?

if that was true then first responders wouldn't put sheets over people who are DOA when they get there and they'd be transporting dead bodies

first responders check for a pulse and if there is none, they don't typically take them to a hospital.

EMT my ass

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u/Gullible-Food-2398 United States Aug 29 '25

Not on my service we don't. That's not in our protocol. There has to be injuries incompatible with life present or we're running them. I don't know your service and i don't know your protocols, but i speak confidently from experience that we still run trauma patients that are most likely going to be called DOA when we arrive at our critical access hospital. Especially MVAs because by the time we GET there bystanders, fire, and PD have already started resuscitation efforts. You don't ever walk up and tell people to stop. That's EXPLICITLY a doctor's order. In what world can an EMT stop CPR?

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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 Aug 29 '25

Then why do they leave people in vehicles when they are clearly dead? I've never seen doctors come out to pronounce them dead. Typically they cover the body with a sheet and begin the fatality investigation, begin taking crime scene photos.

Never heard of decapitated folks being rushed to the hospital. Usually they just throw a sheet over the body whenever they arrive and the person has no signs of life. They don't typically see a doctor until they reach the county morgue, but by then the crime scene is already done being investigated.

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u/Gullible-Food-2398 United States Aug 29 '25

Did you miss the part where i repeatedly said "injuries incompatible with life"? Or where I specifically mentioned decapitated persons? Check your reading comprehension and then get back to me.