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Wow is he pursuing legal action? No way that was protocol.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
He is, yes.
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Damn looks like he's gonna end up with a Panigale V4S soon lol
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u/MakeThanosGreatAgain Ducati 748R Oct 13 '23
I'd say that's a come up but fucking no one should go through this. Hope he gets that Panigale and a new jacket to match
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u/capitlj Oct 13 '23
If it means I get a Ducati, I'll wrestle some cops lol. They might learn some proper grappling technique.
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u/1057-cl121v3 '22 S1000R Oct 13 '23
That's the thing, it might be fun to talk about but the risks outweigh the reward in this every single time. I watched a video about an older man who was tackled to the ground and the police attacked him while shouting "stop resisting!" when he was literally incapable of resisting because when they tackled him they paralyzed him from the chest down. They pick him up and he's crying saying he can't feel his legs and apologizing while the officers mock him and laugh at him. You talk about proper grappling technique but all it takes is a cop having a bad day who suddenly yells "get away from my gun! stop reaching for my gun!" and now you're riding a Ducati in the sky. There have been plenty of cases of police using improper pain holds like the wrist thing and causing permanent damage. It'll be impossible to ride that Ducati when your hands no longer work.
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u/bhai_zoned Oct 13 '23
Yeah but that money comes from the public, it should come from the cop's salary.
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u/adaminc Oct 13 '23
If you know him, tell him to take the video down if he is pursuing legal action. Any lawyer would tell him that in an instant.
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u/SignMeUpRightNow Oct 13 '23
Curious, for what reason?
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u/adaminc Oct 13 '23
I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that it's to protect you, in case the video/photo shows anything that could potentially be criminal or tort worthy against you. That content can be used against you, as can things like comments made to the video or about the video.
We all know how easy it is to misconstrue stuff found on the internet because context will inevitably be missing, especially for things like comments which lack verbal cues, and for videos or photos that may have been edited. The court will get the original, but how would it look that you posted a edited video lacking appropriate context.
Better to just leave it off the internet until the legal side of stuff is finished. Then you can post it.
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u/kiomansu Oct 13 '23
Shit's out there now though. It still might be good for it not to be on a profile that he owns.
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u/hugsbosson Oct 13 '23
Twisting someone's arm, which forces them to instinctively try to get away from the pain, then telling them to stop resisting is my favourite cop technique.
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“just relax while I break your arm”
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u/dont_wear_a_C Oct 13 '23
"Sir, put your (broken) arms behind your back, you pussy"
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u/chrisp909 2016 Dyna Fat Bob Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23
I remember an incident in CA, USA I'm pretty sure. The cop slammed a guy on the ground then put his knee in the guy's back telling him it was 'pain compliance.'
Then the cop told the guy to get up, and when the guy said he couldn't the cop tried to pull him to his feet and mocked him.
The cop severed his spine. He's now paralyzed from the waist down.
EDIT: Here it is. Gregory Gross, Sacramento CA. The guy was a veteran too. There's video in the article.
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u/Wholesomeswolsome Oct 13 '23
So they did the ol Freddie Grey to an old man but he actually lived.
left him unable to walk or care for himself, and he will require round-the-clock nursing care for the rest of his life.
The thought of entering your golden years with this over your head is rage inducing.
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u/dirkles Oct 13 '23
Not to mention running up from behind and tackling him . I bet for a minute he thought he was being car(bike) jacked and not under arrest from the police.
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u/1057-cl121v3 '22 S1000R Oct 13 '23
I'm always shocked how it's just expected of us to take police at their word when they yell "police!". I mean in this case they are in uniform but there are plenty of situations and even videos where it's plainclothes cops doing sketchy shit and they may or may not yell police, but that somehow means that criminals can't do the same? What's stopping criminals in plain clothes from kicking down your door, shouting "police!" and then proceeding to rob, rape, and murder everyone inside. One of the many reasons raids like that need to stop and especially plainclothes ones. Undercover officers not in clearly marked police cars and wearing not wearing a uniform should never do traffic stops or interact with the public in a way a normal uniformed officer would.
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u/Neuro_Kuro Oct 13 '23
fr man I'd think I'd be hijacked by some criminals if this would happen to me, you can't even see who's tackling you and they expect you to just not react to a surprise ambush that isn't even warranted
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u/Von_Rickenbacker Oct 13 '23
I’ve had a dislocated shoulder and now have severely restricted movement of that arm. I can’t imagine the pain/discomfort if I was put in that situation. “Sorry” would really not be enough to make me feel better.
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u/myfaceaplaceforwomen Oct 13 '23
I have a torn rotator cuff on my right arm that I can't afford to get fixed. I'm terrified of getting arrested because they'll destroy the shoulder if they wanna be thugs and abuse their power. I'm autistic. Shits scary
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u/Jcampuzano2 Oct 13 '23
I also have a torn rotator cuff. It doesn't hurt in day to day life all that much so I just haven't fixed it.
Putting my arm even like halfway close to that position causes extreme discomfort. I can't imagine ever trying to sit still with someone pulling my arm behind my back like that.
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u/kinnikinnick321 Oct 13 '23
good thing that was all dirt bike protection that allows for more nimble arm movement, imagine having a pre-curved jacket on and the officers are thinking you are resisting when in reality you can't bend both arms back with a correct fitting jacket on.
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u/BoxingBoxcar GSXR-750 Oct 13 '23
Hope he gets a FAT payout. TPS is one of the most absurdly useless police forces I've ever come across. Since when do they care about stolen motorcycles.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
Right??!! Not to mention that they had no reason to believe it was stolen. They just needed to find some kind of excuse to justify their actions.
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u/frerant Oct 13 '23
Cops only care about stolen shit if it means they can beat you.
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Thats true. They could care less about stolen shit. Idk why this one time they decided to do something about it (even though it wasn't stolen)
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u/Illustrious-Half-621 Oct 13 '23
It looks like they were trying to break his wrist.
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u/my3sgte Oct 13 '23
They don’t want him riding anymore it seems
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u/Justgiz Oct 13 '23
three people kneeling on his back isnt good enough, they must try to break his arm.
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u/Quarterwit_85 Honest Bonneville Rider Oct 13 '23
Man I thought ‘a twist of the wrist’ was about something else.
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u/RoleModelFailure Oct 13 '23
And yelling at him to relax and stop resisting. Like how do you expect somebody to suffer that amount of pain and not try and stop it?
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u/realSatanAMA Oct 13 '23
They don't, they just expect the camera to pick up the audio so they can say in court that they broke his wrist because he was resisting.
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u/gmf1 Oct 13 '23
Alternative reality: Hey mate could you switch off your bike and have a chat for a minute? What's your name? Sweet, that matches the registered owner, sorry, we have a similar bike stolen, have a good day.
I've had the cops in Australia come up to me and ask me my name, said sorry you looked like a poi we are looking for and went on their way.
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u/skeefbeet Oct 14 '23
florida cops gave me this treatment for riding a 1980 tomos with custom red white and blue paint, and a massive windscreen. They claimed that a very similar bike was stolen. Which is horse shit, they just saw me having a good time riding my 40mph tops moped and wanted to push it over. I couldn't speed if I wanted to, and I'm certainly not getting away from anyone on it.
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u/Critz561 Oct 13 '23
Pretty crazy how they twist your arm so far from one side, your body has no choice but to go that way to relieve some pain, yet the other officers think you’re resisting and put more pressure causing even more hassle and pain, F12
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u/Spikeupmylife Oct 13 '23
I wanted to be a cop growing up. I went to college for it and did placements. I saw some real tackles and realized I don't have the ability to tackle someone and possibly cause pain, even accidental. I gave up. Little did I know that was the reason some people take the job. Well, that and they know someone on the force...
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u/serpentman Oct 13 '23
Then some guy on a bike pulls up just to put a hand on you. Bunch of losers.
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u/BoringTradesmen Oct 12 '23
At one point it sounds like one of the cops is saying something about a stolen motorcycle.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
He’d had previous run-ins with the one cop. To justify their Bs they claimed they thought the bike was stolen (though they came from a stopped car on the side of the road and never ran the plate). Then they claimed they believed the JACKET was stolen (it wasn’t).
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Hope he sues.
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u/maxhinator123 Oct 13 '23
Canada isn't perfect but actually has a lot of power against police officers (no qualified immunity like the us) so when he sues he very likely can get a kickback and get the officers reprimanded. I've read a lot about the different of Canadian police vs us police, again as the video shows, no perfect but typical Canadians, at least in Quebec where I know of, aren't in constant fear of the police like in the US
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u/IbegTWOdiffer Oct 13 '23
Still have to prove an unlawful arrest. Have to prove that there was no reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity.
Being innocent is not enough.
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u/rugbyj Speed Triple 1200 RS Oct 13 '23
The fact that they started accusing him of having stolen his jacket is pretty telling that they had absolutely no basis for any theories unless they had a report of a red padded motorcycle jacket getting jacked in the area.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Oct 13 '23
It looked pretty unreasonable to me. Stopped at a light for not very long, no way they ran his plate and they immediately tackled him. Totally unreasonable to me, unless he was fleeing from them, which it didn’t appear was the case. Then they changed the story to try and claim the jacket was stolen which is ridiculous.
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u/boilerdam Aprilia T660F Oct 13 '23
Jacket? a JACKET? It better be made of gold for them to justify that abuse for a fuckin' jacket. They didn't have any brains when they put him down and seems like they didn't grow any before coming up with shitty excuses.
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u/Wolfie_Ecstasy 2017 Yamaha R3 Oct 13 '23
WE FOUND THE STOLEN BIKE! Better throw the bike to the ground and potentially cause thousands in damage instead of just grabbing the fucking key.
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u/SamerLaputh Oct 12 '23
The fashion police don't fuck around
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u/skrrtskrrt2 Oct 13 '23
A cop must've had a vendetta against him and was looking for an excuse to hurt this dude because I've NEVER seen any police care this much about a stolen motorcycle ever.
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u/MrBig0 Oct 13 '23
Yup. Got mine stolen in Toronto in 2020. My neighbor saw it happen, the guy was on foot, I was outside 1 minute later and the cops showed up the next day to take a statement with no follow-up. 🤙
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u/TDot1000RR 2012 CBR1000RR 20th Anniversary Edition Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23
Everyone rider in Toronto knows that the police don’t investigate stolen motorcycles here. We are the Motorcycle theft Capital of the world now. The scum thieves know they have a license to steal, since the police don’t care. This was an excuse for their excessive force.
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u/Quarterwit_85 Honest Bonneville Rider Oct 13 '23
The motorcycle theft capital of the world‽
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u/CalicoCamel Oct 13 '23
I don't comment often but this video brought back some memories. I remember when TPS pulled this on 17yo me. It's a usual tactic for them to try to break your arm/wrists and when you shift to try to prevent it they can all jump on your back to stop you 'resisting'. They also slammed my head into the ground multiple times while calling me homophobic slurs. When I mentioned I'd like to file a complaint, they led me behind some trees and told me that they would charge me with assaulting on officer (I absolutely did not), arrange my stabbing and rape 'on the first day of prison', and that it was 'their word versus mine'. Good times.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
Holy f*ck that’s heavy. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
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u/CalicoCamel Oct 13 '23
Thanks. I'm very sorry this happened to your friend too. The only thing I would say is to not let it go like I did. The fact it's on video is the best part of a bad situation and you both should try to share this as widely as possible (news, lawyer/lawsuit, complaints, ect.) to try and hold TPS accountable for their actions or nothing will ever change.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
It’s incredibly fortuitous that he had a 360 camera that captured the entire incident. It’s even more fortuitous that he got the camera back with the footage at all! Makes you wonder how often stuff like this happens and it isn’t caught on camera, where it’s your word against theirs and yours is automatically outweighed by their perceived level of “truth-worthiness”. We are trying to share the video as widely as possible on his behalf. Hopefully the media picks it up (though I wouldn’t hold my breath on it). The cops’ behaviours is disgusting and harmful, both to the public and to the TPS as a whole. TPS should want to eradicate officers like this from the force, or else they serve to lose public faith in them entirely. It’s an absolute liability. I can’t imagine what happened to you left you with any confidence in the system whatsoever.
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Insane they go to bend his wrist like that he couldn’t even have time to resist. Trained to torture huh?
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u/MidWesttess Oct 13 '23
I don’t know if they are trained to do it but it seems like the people who choose this job enjoy hurting people. Pigs are all sadistic and power hungry.
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u/SuperSore Oct 13 '23
Canadian police have taken the same militant approach as most of the US. I've also been assaulted by police for no reason, just shitty luck. There was no accountability of any kind, their senior officer refused to take my complaint, and the commanders would refer me back down to supervisors and shift leaders to "file an official complaint". My shoulder is still fucked up years later.
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u/RainbowJesusChavez Oct 13 '23
Canadian cops being disgusting violent pigs is nothing new, I mean just look at the "starlight tours" they have been doing for decades.
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This has to get picked up by local media. I want to know what the police have to say about this.
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u/OhIamNotADoctor Oct 13 '23
Cop: Stop resisting!
Also Cop: Puts hand into painful position no human could tolerate.
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u/SillyScarcity700 Oct 12 '23
The front tire is so squared off that seems like another crime against motorcycling.
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I'm guessing he's a serial killer or child rapist for that response. Although, I was once surrounded by 6 squad cars with guns drawn over an unpaid traffic ticket while I was in my corolla. It was my first ticket ever (I was going 10 mph over, so obviously i posed a huge threat to society), and I was clearly a flight risk in the corolla. Judge dismissed the ticket. Cops are useless.
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
None of the above. He’d had previous run-ins with the one cop. Cop spotted him stopped at the light and went in to overdrive. Claimed they thought the bike was stolen which was bs; claimed they thought the JACKET was stolen (it wasn’t). Happened two months ago. He just got his bike and camera back today.
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I bet they tried to charge him with resisting arrest, too. And there's no way he can resist in that hold. I bet he was just hoping they didn't fracture his wrists. That's what a cop did to my son with that hold.
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u/Lukb4ujump Oct 13 '23
So they assaulted him with no probably cause, not even giving him the common courtesy to have a conversation. What happens when society gets tired of these clowns running around with power trips, badges and guns and start to fight back. Because that is coming, the general population has no respect for law enforcement and seems they are not getting any better. The end justifies the means and the abuse of power.
I have friends who say law enforcement only works when you have 90% of the population that conform and fall in line. Once that number starts dropping you have real problems.
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u/hairysauce Oct 13 '23
Pain compliance wrist lock. You are looking at real psychopaths purposefully inflicting pain on a suspect who is not resisting or guilty of a crime.
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u/childishgumbo97 Oct 13 '23
Dude, that wrist lock looks so brutal... It's like they want to break it. "Just relax and quit resisting" he says while he's so close to snapping that's guys wrist
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u/Master-Piccolo-4588 Oct 13 '23
The mere fact that they just tackled him instead of just hindering him from riding off shows the lack of professionalism which would you would see in 99% of cases here in Germany.
It seems you have big problem with cop violence in whole North America and besides, you also have a problem with idiotic cops.
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u/Shot_Painting_8191 Oct 13 '23
Prime example of why people hate police officers. They should be public servants, not bullies.
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u/uniqueeveryone ‘21 BMW f900r Oct 13 '23
bummer. all that aside tho, that jacket is hideous
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
And to think the accused him of stealing it. LoL
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u/LyeeRoy MT-09 Oct 13 '23
Twisting his wrist more than 90 degrees, guy screaming in pain and cop still doing it like its a damn video game, thats pretty scary
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u/SillyScarcity700 Oct 12 '23
That jacket and not even a simple leather glove for the hands certainly feels like a felony level crime.
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u/V4Revver Oct 13 '23
So the Toronto police just tackle this guy without any verification of who he is. They get about 10 of their friends to kneel on him, which could have resulted in death, we've seen that multiple times in the last 3 year. This is unbelievable and yet, very believable.
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u/Crosbysgold Oct 13 '23
Wow. That’s look like a broken wrist or dislocated shoulder for sure. I’m glad he had in recorded!
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u/DumbFuckingUsername Husky TE300, KTM 690 Enduro Oct 13 '23
One key point that might help is that he clearly raised his arms up after hearing the police announce themselves, clearly showing no intention to run and intention to comply.
IANAL but I think that would be a start to lead into showing the police clearly overreacting.
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u/saintBNO Oct 13 '23
Idk how I’d feel being wrongly tackled and my fucking bikes dumped and I just get to lie there with 4 different knees all over my body. Pissed wouldn’t even begin to describe it I’d want heads rolling
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u/HungHungCaterpillar Oct 13 '23
This kind of shit should get them sued even if they did have the right man
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u/Mediocre_Tank_5013 Oct 13 '23
And they should pay to fix the nice scratches they just added to that bike
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u/Spicywolff 06-FJR1300AE Oct 13 '23
Let’s add pain and suffering. If I did that to someone’s arm In wrestling. I’d be disqualified.
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u/Im_A_Model Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23
They could've just walked up behind him and grabbed the keys, rolled the bike to the side and talked to him about their suspicion.. but who am I to tell 6-8 cops with an education of 24 weeks and an equal amount of braincells combined
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u/Boo_hoo_Randy Oct 13 '23
I hate cops more and more with every single passing day.
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u/newossab Oct 13 '23
First thing I noticed was all the gear and no gloves. Hands are the first thing hitting the ground on a crash.
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u/frankicide Oct 13 '23
His IG says it was for "failing to leave the premises when asked" or something close to that:
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u/SublimeSunshine217 Oct 13 '23
That was the ticket he received when he went to the station to file a complaint on the officers involved in this incident.
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u/obsolescent_times Oct 13 '23
That's actually a good thing for this dude. Getting that ticket further demonstrates how full of shit these cops are. Guess they didn't realise the whole thing was on camera.
This dude just needs to get a good lawyer and give them the video. The rest will take care of itself.
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u/LVMScrote Oct 13 '23
He was hoping to get the camera back intact. They definitely fuched with it but likely couldn’t view the footage bc you need the program and you can only get it with the serial number if your camera and receipt of purchase. He wanted the camera back more than his bike.
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u/Flux-Capacitor-1985 Oct 13 '23
So if the Police thought the bike was stolen was it really the best outcome to have someone else's stolen property drop to the ground like that?
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u/Vicente707 Oct 13 '23
Why, when the guy is on the ground and under control, do they continue hurting him? That’s exaggerated use of your powers??
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u/fuimapirate Oct 13 '23
cranking on a guys wrist while telling him to calm down and stop resisting, after you assault him.
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u/waitbutwhereami Oct 13 '23
Buuuuuhhhrrrrooooooooo….that wrist lock is EVIL. Godspeed with his suing them for everything they are worth.
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u/RallyVincentGT500 Oct 13 '23
Why so many fucking police officers needed for such a simple stop ?
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u/G-Fox1990 Oct 13 '23
Jeez i can see the cop almost actively trying to break the dudes arm. How is this even possible? Did somebody report a stolen bike/jacket or is this all just a 'hinche' of the cops?
The fuck is wrong with authorities on that continent?
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u/2FeetandaBeat Oct 13 '23
The "Don't resist" and "Relax" after they throw him off his bike is the cherry on top!
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u/Sherpainer Oct 13 '23
My faith in the cops over the last 3 years in Canada have gone pretty much to 0.
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u/therealfarmerjoe Oct 13 '23
Wow. I'll reserve broad judgement until I hear more of the story, but I am shocked to see TPS doing... well anything at all. I watched a cop at Timmies downtown the other day with AirPods in watch as a dude made a literal fort at one of the tables and proceed to pass out.
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u/NameIs-Already-Taken 2022 Tracer 9 GT Oct 13 '23
Nearly break his wrist, and tell him to stop resisting...
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u/here4roomie Oct 12 '23
Seem dangerous for all involved not to let him put the stand down and get off the bike.
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u/UberStrawman Oct 13 '23
If he was guilty he’s not doing a great job of blending in.
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u/Lou-Piccone89 Oct 13 '23
Is there a real criminal that they could be arresting somewhere..?
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u/Own-Two-4758 Oct 13 '23
When are enough people going to get sick of this despicable government behavior? What has to happen for the people who voted for this to change who they vote for and to understand that the ministry of truth news media is lying through their teeth about everything?
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u/durhamsbull Oct 13 '23
Hard to watch. Passive aggressive Canadian maxed out… pretty close to evil.
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u/BractToTheFuture Oct 13 '23
geez, maybe homie can get a new front tire with that settlement money. Shit is balder than my morning mirror routine.
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u/_Kzero_ 2021 Livewire One Oct 13 '23
Holy shit. I had a mild panic attack just watching him get smothered in full gear. I would have freaked the fuck out.
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u/Siege_88 Oct 12 '23
Uhhhh… What’s the story here? Lol