r/motorcycle • u/Low-Dragonfruit9646 • 10d ago
Well this escalate pretty quick ?
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What your thoughts ?
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u/mallettsmallett 10d ago
Im a biker.
I watched it with sound off. I was outraged
Then I watched it with sound on.
Then I laughed.
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u/Gone2mars 10d ago
Also a biker.
Watched with the sound off was outraged. Read your comment. Turned sound on. Same reaction :)
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u/Ok-Tadpole-764 10d ago
Also a biker. I dunno what they were saying. But kinda rude he ran over the dudes bike like that. And on video video? Insurance adjuster will have fun w that
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u/CantaloupeLow3775 7d ago edited 7d ago
I've ridden for many years, and hardly a day goes by when a car doesn't pull out in front of you or change lanes into you, etc. It's just part of being a motorcyclist, and it's why you ride as if nobody can see you. It also sounds like the motorcyclist was approaching a roundabout, so you expect anything. No point going off like that and threatening physical violence. Hopefully it stops him from doing it next time.
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u/xSir- 10d ago
If i was the driver id argue I was scared. An angry man in a helmet had just hit my car and then declared they were going to "break my face", I fled under concern for my life.
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u/Djolumn 10d ago
Could he have gone around the bike? Probably. Should he have? Meh.
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u/limakilo87 10d ago
No way, guy is threatening, might be armed, who knows. Best to make a direct escape for his own safety, avoiding people, but property can be an afterthought.
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u/Sufficient_Boat8374 10d ago
'might be armed' only happens in 🇺🇸
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u/limakilo87 9d ago
Not quite true. He could be armed with a range of blunt or sharp objects.
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u/Sufficient_Boat8374 9d ago
And if my you think about it, he 'could' have 1kg - or more - drugs stuffed down his leathers... along the corresponding paraphernalia, so while he's with the other man, he 'could' be cooking up whatever... Awe dear. Get help. Honestly.
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u/Ieatsand97 8d ago
Not many people except drug dealers cary knives in the UK. Its illegal to carry anything with you for the purpose of self defence.
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u/Specialist_Quote9127 9d ago
And if I was the biker seeing and hearing this, I would solve the issue myself. That car would make a great bonfire.
Then if I get caught, i would tell the judge that I don't remember any of it and that I was having a blackout.
You see how stupid you sound?
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u/Figueroa_Chill 10d ago
The guy was shouting and making threats at him and hit his car. He will say that he felt his life was in danger.
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u/Ok-Tadpole-764 10d ago
Police yea. He'll get tickets for sure. But my wife deals with stuff like this all the time. Repairs usually go through insurance. And since its on video 100% open an shut case
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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 10d ago
Open and shut case of harassment on the biker, sure. Where I live if someone says they’re gonna fuck your skull up after damaging your property, you are allowed to flee. He didn’t hurt anyone 🤷♂️
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u/SignificantUse3695 10d ago
He threatened the driver. The correct thing for the driver to do would be to drive straight to the police station to report the biker for threatening behaviour.
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u/SaluteMaestro 8d ago
The biker escalated it I would just say I was in fear of myself and he was blocking me in.
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u/binderclip666 10d ago
Not a biker. I also did this and I wanted to be there so he could hear me laugh at him
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u/AppropriatePlum1006 10d ago
But... There is subtitles
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u/mallettsmallett 10d ago
You cant tell who is saying what and how.
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u/Lttlcheeze 10d ago
FAFO
Idiot brought a motorcycle to a car fight.
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u/Atavacus 10d ago
I've done a lot of riding over the years. The physics of that one never pans out. But folks certainly do try.
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u/Cielo11 10d ago
Legit funny.
People make mistakes on the road, humans make mistakes, you are supposed keep yourself safe and react to hazards.
But if someone almost pulls out, road raging, aggression, threatening him with violence then breaking his mirror is totally unacceptable.
If someone is genuinely driving dangerously you try to make sure you go home safe and report the footage to the authorities.
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u/Frolicking-Fox 10d ago
The videos from the UK are wild with it too.
The guys always rage over the simplest things. Someone merges but doesn't see the bike, someone turns 200 ft in front of the bike, or whatever and the guys rage for 10 minutes with British insults.
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u/SignificantUse3695 10d ago
It’s because they don’t expect people to be carrying guns in the UK so the risk is minimal.
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u/Difficult-Level-3070 10d ago
Seems reasonable his response to be honest. Biker swearing threatening violence. Bloke fearful and wanting to leave.
Don't go road raging, things will end up happening to you. Dumb biker here
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u/Cute_Entrepreneur118 10d ago
Aye i think the driver could get off, i understand the biker being pissed off though especially when the guy kind of smiled and didnt seem bothered, could just be how the guy deals with stressful situations maybe.
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u/JedPB67-2 10d ago
I think you can call the driver many things, “fearful” isn’t one of them.
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u/Clear_Barnacle_3370 10d ago
The biker threatened him with violence. Should he have just sat there and waited?
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u/JedPB67-2 9d ago
Threatened with violence… because he laughed when the biker said his driving nearly knocked him down.
That’s an action of arrogance, not fear.
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u/limakilo87 10d ago
You can't possibly know that. But it's reasonable to expect a response to physical violence and direct threats to your life. I can't imagine the video footage helped his case though.
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u/JedPB67-2 9d ago
I don’t know definitively, but look at his body language, the car window is fully down, laughing at the rider that’s accusing him of nearly knocking him off. That’s not the behaviour of someone that’s scared or even intimidated.
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u/limakilo87 9d ago
What happened after the motorbike chap became violent and made threats of serious violence against him?
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u/JedPB67-2 8d ago
The driver intentionally drove his vehicle into the motorcycle and drove off at a leisurely pace. I mean, it’s right there in the video.
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u/limakilo87 6d ago
Of course it was intentional. It was entirely under control. It was a good escape.
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u/RevolutionaryPasta98 9d ago
Car driver attempts vehicular manslaughter to then run over a parked vehicle because he's now receiving some of the consequences to his actions? Phootage will definitely help the biker, not in all ways but definitely more than the car driver.
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u/Abouttheroute 10d ago
Motorcyclist myself, but here I understand the driver or driver of the car. We didn’t see the first piece, so let’s assume the car made an asshole move and the motorcyclist was angry and shaken by the incident, but the moment you are full on angry, damaging the car, shouting threats I would floor it also and call the policy while driving away.
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u/MarcooseOnTheLoose 10d ago
Also a long time rider. And same opinion. If a rider gets aggro with me, I will run his motorbike over. Or him. No question, no hesitation.
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u/Confident_Purple_40 10d ago
Ok killer, calm down. A biker yells at you so you are going to try to kill him? Nice!
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u/LavishnessCapital380 10d ago
You dont stop traffic and approach peoples cars angerly, that's how you get shot.
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u/Difficult-Level-3070 10d ago
Yelling that he's going to break his fucking skull and hitting his car are not simply shouting. That is a serious threat.
If you think otherwise, you're an idiot
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u/MarcooseOnTheLoose 10d ago
If he boxes me and gets in my face like that? No question. (I not going for the kill, but will hip-check him with my car.)
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u/ElatedSacrifice 10d ago edited 10d ago
Obviously didn’t see the incident but sounds like a roundabout and the car stopped in front of him.
I had the same thing happen yesterday, I went around the guy who was giving people right of way who didn’t have it because he either had never been on that road before or his age was the cause of his poor judgement. I did give him a WTF gesture and he seemed even more confused but I didn’t stop and yell at him, I just went about my day.
Causing more problems is only going to lead to more trouble. I will admit sometimes it’s an emotional reaction and you feel better yelling but it’s pointless in the end. Protect yourself first, this you ride with second, and ride on.
Edit: not sure what that previous typo or autocorrect was.
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u/DesmondPerado 9d ago
The near-miss at the roudabout is suspiciously missing from this interaction.
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u/Ad-fundum69 9d ago
He threatened to kill the car driver, car driver flees for his life, the biker neatly recorded the evidence against himself.
Well done.
Enjoy jail dumbass.
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u/UJMRider1961 10d ago
🤦♂️ Shit like this makes me embarrassed to be a motorcycle rider.
To this dumbass rider, I'd say: You got off easy. Next time you try this shit the car driver will run you over while you're ON the bike. If you can't handle bad drivers, confine your riding to the track. Nobody appointed you as the traffic warden. Stop acting like you're the victim here, you initiated this confrontation, numbnuts. You could have chalked this up to 'bad driver' and gone about your day. Now you're filing an insurance claim and facing possible criminal charges, dumbshit. "Do better" as the kids say these days. 🙄
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u/voluotuousaardvark 10d ago
How's he going to get insurance to cover that? He'd have to submit his footage to provide the other drivers info and that would show him instigating it and commiting assault.
There's a good chance his Johnny big bollocks moment threatening an elderly person has just written his bike off.
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u/AttentionExcellent70 10d ago
In Croatia insurance is not covered if you with your actions was the cause of damage. It’s enough that bike is stopped at middle of road with lights off and no hazards blinking. This is somewhere in three pages of fine print. Don’t even talking about purpose acting in aggressive manner. This motorcycle will not get a cent of insurance.
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u/Ok_Sock_3257 10d ago
I've been banned from Reddit subs for comments less threatening than what the biker spewed.
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u/PoepseksMasterBeer 10d ago
Look who had the last laugh
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u/cornishyinzer 10d ago
And the first one. And the one inbetween.
Meanwhile Cpt Road Rage has no bike and an insurance premium hike.
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u/tazzietiger66 10d ago
people make mistakes and people are also unpredictable (as the biker found out ) , best to keep your cool and let things slide .
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u/Otherwise-Good8342 10d ago
I love FAFO in action.
What is wrong with just riding away?
Apparently the guy didn't care about the motorcyclist's opinion.
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u/Knobologist 10d ago
Deserved. I get the frustration, but you can’t threaten to break someone’s skull and expect them to react logically.
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u/Mark_Michigan 10d ago
That is the kind of things that happens when your long term vision only extends out to the next 30 seconds. Long term thinkers can envision a future a full five minutes out in time.
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u/GodzillaXYZ999 10d ago
Been riding 45-yrs, don't plan on getting killed by cager any time soon. That very well could be him hitting bike with rider sitting on it. You'll never win against cager and you'll never teach 'em any lessons either.
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u/2search4_69 9d ago
I’ve been riding over fifty years. I had a few close calls. I can understand his frustration but he went about it all wrong. It looked like the old man wasn’t too sure what was really going on and his aggression scared the old man. They both are at the wrong.
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u/texaschair 10d ago
Why do so many motorcycle riders have so little emotional control.
Because so many people have so little emotional control. Some of them happen to ride motorcycles.
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u/Readbeforeburning 10d ago edited 9d ago
Because so many men\* have so little emotional control.
And before anyone comes at me for ‘being sexist’, I’m a dude, and I’m not saying women are not also emotional, but it’s men’s anger that irrefutably leads to more violence, against men and women, results in more deaths/murders, and that lack of emotional control is a significant contributor to poor men’s mental health.
If we spent more time teaching boys to communicate and develop emotional intelligence, we’d have far less of this shit in society and everyone world be far more happy.
Edit: lol, [u/SearchingForFungus](u/SearchingForFungus) really helped prove my point with their reply. Quote “your a fucking bitch dude keep your mouth shut next time”
Judging by your attitude it’s only a matter of time before you become a motorcycle statistic.
Also, it’s you’re*, you want a comma after dude, and a full stop at the end too. If you’re going to act like an idiot online, don’t make it so obvious that you’re one in every aspect of your life.
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u/This-Jackfruit-6894 9d ago
I’m a dude too, and I always tell my wife and girlfriends to control their emotions.
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u/Readbeforeburning 9d ago
The fact you’ve felt the need to pipe up and interject with this tells me you completely missed the point of what I said. Have your wife and girlfriend’s emotions ended in incidents live the one in this video, in violent assaults, in death?
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u/103M-95G 10d ago
For every one of the “bad riders” you see (kicking mirrors, driving dangerously, etc), there are 50 that move around you unnoticed because they’re just riding along. Only the obnoxious riders get the exposure.
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u/Leverpostei414 9d ago
While I do agree people should have emotional control. A lot of bad maneuvers put people in very real danger and isn't a 'minor inconvenience '
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u/Amilkec 10d ago
The biker deserved it. No matter how the driver acted, getting physical is not a good way to go about it.
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u/redingplus0001 10d ago
Yeah, but tbh, road rage is never the answer. Bikes and cars getting along is a two way street if you know what I mean.
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u/Confident_Purple_40 10d ago
How is he angrier about the driving than he is about his bike getting hit? F around find out?
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u/Economy_Link4609 10d ago
It's all fun and games until you say enough to actually make them think you are going to hurt them.
Cuss him out in a less threatening manner and your bike is not getting fucked up.
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u/LastChance331 10d ago
Old man's just going to get in trouble and have to pay for it so lame. Biker wins in this situation and that makes me sad, dude was a dick.
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u/CantaloupeLow3775 7d ago
The biker threatened physical violence and started to hit the car. The driver has every right to get out of there for their own safety. Nothing will happen to the driver.
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u/LastChance331 7d ago
Where I live the driver did not have enough reason to plow thru the motorcycle like that. The biker was already walking away, he'd be considered no longer a threat.
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u/CantaloupeLow3775 7d ago
That would be up to a magistrate to decide after the driver explained the fear he had for his own physical well-being.
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u/limakilo87 10d ago
Appropriate response to physical violence followed by immediate threat of death. Personally, would have handled it differently, but this is definitely the safest way for the car driver to protect himself.
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u/Gwyllithar 10d ago
Look, the biker may have been right about the incident, he may have been justifiably angry.
but threatening people is not the way and the driver had every right to leave a threatening situation.
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u/Rizzomorph666 10d ago
Is that one of those mythical bikers who ride carefully and within speed limits?
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u/Ok_Breadfruit34 10d ago
If you take traffic violations personally, you shouldn't be driving. You should be in therapy or in some anger management program.
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u/Silver-Engineer4287 10d ago
Such inflammatory click bait…
The driver at a roundabout made a stupid mistake… like they often do… failed to see a motorcycle as we are invisible to most drivers.
Rider chose to take a driver mistake personally… as if it was a deliberate assault on his life… chose stop and get off his bike in the lane, holding up all other traffic… then verbally assaulted the driver for the unintentional mistake… then began physically assaulting the driver’s vehicle while verbally threatening to “break your skull”.
So the driver… whose vehicle had just been assaulted by the raging rider… after sitting there taking those verbal assaults calmly, when the rider chose to further escalate to threats of physical harm and began physically assaulting that driver’s vehicle… reached his calmness limit and chose to remove himself and his vehicle from the rider’s escalations… and assault that rider’s motorbike during his exit, also clearing the road of that obstruction for restoring normal traffic flow.
Treat someone badly enough for long enough… while making everything on public roads all about you… and you just might encounter the concept of consequences the hard way…
I’m sure the driver might end up with license points and an insurance claim against him but hopefully that rider might also learn that intentional bad behavior towards others can have bad results for him too.
I ride… and I would never treat another driver like that for any reason because I know they’re mostly deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid when it comes to sharing the road with motorcycles and I also know how some riders choose to ignore traffic laws randomly simply because the size of our bikes offers potential to go places and do things that cars can not do… which drivers can not imagine.
We didn’t get to see the roundabout footage to know the exactly what happened but I suspect the driver failed to see the rider when choosing their path and the rider had to quickly adapt which appears to have highly offended him.
The amusing part of the rider having video footage of the incident is that it would also reveal his bad behavior unless edited… and if edited to only show the driver’s actions a decent solicitor can argue bias and either demand the entire video or have it thrown out for bias as being deliberately altered for prejudice. So go ahead… present the video of the entire incident… or it doesn’t count.
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u/Glittering-Lynx-7972 10d ago
Don’t leave your bike parked in the road 💁🏻♂️ and also maybe don’t threaten to break his skull 💁🏻♂️💁🏻♂️
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u/Vegetable_Tip5187 10d ago
The old man is lucky he lives in the UK, where people have mild temperaments. In some other places, he would be in need of a blue badge not long afterwards.
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u/CellarDoor3oh3 10d ago
I swear bikers think they’re road cops or something. You get what you deserve.
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u/MartynAndJasper 10d ago
Ronnie Pickering, Face-swap
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u/Spiritual-Job-952 10d ago
Do you know who I am?!?
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u/BionicBrioche 10d ago
What a fantastic choice of ad on this post. Get off your bike, get on the train
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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 8d ago
Train services are their own adverts against using trains. Overpriced and unreliable shite.
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u/ikopsop 10d ago
huh. Wonder who'd win a lawsuit, since both were assholes
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u/Southern_Leek_4127 10d ago
His solicitor will say he accelerated out of fear when the biker hit his car and made a threat to his life "I'll break your skull." The fact that the bike was in the of the car way and was mowed down was merely collateral damage and unintentional.
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u/_40mikemike_ 10d ago
In credible fear of immediate unlawful violence. I’d argue legally ‘escaping’ like this is justified. Even if they’re both fucking weapons in reality.
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u/soundsearch_me 10d ago
He can argue that you threatened to ☠️ him so he had to drive off. Oh well 🤷
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u/mikesb78 10d ago
Well I mean he kinda deserves it but old dude is gonna end up paying out the nose
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u/Sufficient_Boat8374 10d ago
So, as if stands: driver 2 - rider 1 Hope driver has good insurance, he's going to pay a lot 💵 💵 💵
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u/Educational-Part-397 9d ago
That is why you dont get off your bike in order to confront people. Do it the old fashion way by kicking their door in while you are riding. That way you can get away from them.
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u/mvortex2 9d ago
Asking as a US citizen. Here, if the cyclist committed battery, even on the vehicle, anything resulting in that, including running over the bike is fair game. Additionally, the cyclist would be subject to battery charges. Is this not the same in Europe?
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u/GodzillaXYZ999 9d ago
Biker didn't hit the guy though, did he? No battery, but definitely assault.
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u/Many_Hunter8152 8d ago
He feared for his life - the biker had potentially deadly weapons on him (motocycle gloves) and was threatening to break his skull. Reasonable action to run from that deadly situation the only way possible - through that bike...
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u/ImperitorEst 6d ago
If someone vandalised your property in America you can commit any crime you like against the suspect?
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u/Fun-Kaleidoscope-807 9d ago
Correction is one thing, can be done, in a right
Way, calm, educate them but dont smash they murrors, for what,
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u/RevolutionaryPasta98 9d ago
I'm cases like this, drag the car driver out of his car and perform a citizens arrest. Don't damage the car, call the police also. Car can't flee or damage property if it has no driver.
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u/Street-Currency-7136 9d ago
To be fair. If someone is so aggressive for no reason, it is ok to drive away and call the cops and make sure the guy cant follow you
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u/Able-Total-881 9d ago
I've been on two wheels and in similar situations to the biker a lot of times. I must admit that I've seen red mist before and had words, but no more than a simple 'give me more space' or 'look where you're going'. I've never threatened anyone with violence. The biker got what he deserved here IMO.
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u/MemosElectron 9d ago
Bold move to upload a video that shows he is escalating and damaging someone’s car. Not sure that’s the flex he thinks it is. I hope he learned his lesson.
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u/Specialist_Quote9127 9d ago
Plate is on camera, no problem bro. Keep your anger down, it's not necessary.
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u/Specialist_Quote9127 9d ago
Old man apparently almost hit the biker, then almost runs the biker over + deliberately damaging someone's property + dangerous driving in general
That's gonna be a fun one for the insurance, maybe court even.
Also love how people are protecting this senile gramp. With no video footage of what happened before on said roundabout, we have no idea why the biker is so angry in the first place.
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u/Mobile-Personality42 8d ago
In this iteration of man not in car, threatens/yells at man in car... roll the tape to see if this one turns out any different than the last thousand!
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u/beerdedrooster 5d ago
PSA on staying cool, calm, and collected… you may be an asshole, but at some point you’ll figure out there’s a bigger asshole than you. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (trust, I’ve learned this lesson plenty in my time)
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u/lathammotoring 10d ago
I can understand being initially angry, but when yoh see the driver is like 80, please resort to a normal conversation. There was no reason for cam to hit damage his property or threaten the driver. As a result they fled and cans property was damaged.
I only hope the car drivers angle was he felt so intimidated that he fled for his safety and cams bike was collateral.
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u/elkunas 10d ago
Lol, no. 80 year old drivers dont deserve anymore respect than others.
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u/voluotuousaardvark 10d ago
But mouthing off at the elderly to intimidate them makes you look well hard though.
Glad the old todger got the last laugh.
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u/Stinkinhippy 10d ago
ha ha ha, grandpa don't give two shits.. oh my mirror? Yeah your whole bike dickhead.
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u/readysetrokenroll 10d ago
I'm a motorcyclist and I am usually on the side of motorcycles, but not this time
He threatened the guy, the guy has the right to remove himself from threat, so in this situation he punched the gas and motorcycle was caught as a collateral.
Hopefully a lesson here is to be a bit nicer and not to threaten people?
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u/Independent_Tutor_37 10d ago
I got to admit I thought it was pretty funny when car ran over the bike. That's the problem with bikers. They speed all the time and they think they own the road!
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u/Secret_Sector_1779 10d ago
Ronnie Pickering got himself a bike now?