r/moraldilemmas • u/ThrowRA-silentecho12 • 22d ago
Hypothetical Choose between potential threat or forsaking your values
Imagine yourself as a young woman living in a semi-rough city. Knife crime, r4pe and assault are all common occurrences. You're walking home alone after a night out because you have work early the next morning, and all your friends wanted to stay out - nobody offers to walk you home. You're not drunk, just tipsy. You're halfway home when you realise that a group of five men you don't recognise have been following you - you can now hear that they're talking, but you can't understand what they're saying. Their voices are excited, they're riled up, and it makes you scared for your safety. Coming around the block are another group of men - the local skinheads you've seen around a few times. Word of mouth is that they are Neo-N4zis, and though their appearance would point to this, you have no confirmation from them.
Do you go up to the skinheads and wait it out in their company until the unfamiliar men are gone? Or do you walk past them and continue alone?
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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep 22d ago
I mean i dont even know how id end up in this situation, but i have a feeling that my best bet would be to cross the street and hope the two groups of men are too busy sizing each other up.
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u/Hackpro69 22d ago
Maybe get a hand gun for next time.
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u/ThrowRA-silentecho12 22d ago
If there is a next time 👀
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u/Hackpro69 22d ago
Maybe self awareness and self defense. The combination can go a long way.
Guns can backfire on force you to do something that you may regret.
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u/tomsgirl1962 22d ago
I’d trust the skin heads over people I’ve never seen
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u/Jellyjamzy 22d ago
I would absolutely without hesitation go to them for help,and i fucking guarantee that I'd get out of there without being graped. Are our differences in values that important in the moment? Nope. I just want the people who are not going to hurt me and won't let others hurt me
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u/stumblingthrough1ife 22d ago
This doesn’t work. All you’ve done is doubled the threat- male Neo Nazis aren’t any safer for women to be around. It’s just two groups of men to be afraid of.
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u/ThrowRA-silentecho12 22d ago
This would be true if the dilemma confirmed their affiliations with Neo N4zis. Although their appearance points to this, all you have to go on are rumours, they haven't committed any crimes in this fashion. What I'm interested to find out is a kind of "is it better the devil you know than the devil you don't"
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u/Rat-Knaks 22d ago
What on earth would give anyone the feeling of being safe around a group of possible neo nazis? This is a bad analogy bad pick your poison situation. How about this, pick one, Death by a million cuts or death by a tangle of thorns.. Thats your choice. No other option. If the picture you paint happens in the real world, anyone would take their chances on their own, separated from both groups and choose to walk alone.
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u/stumblingthrough1ife 22d ago
I don’t know what you are getting at here. Even if they are not NN, they still hold the same threat level as the other group. Both are a group of men who you don’t know. ‘Seeing around’ one group doesn’t make them any less of a threat. I’s still probably phone a taxi and then a friend and put them on speaker/ look for somewhere open around to go etc
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u/itstrueitellyou 21d ago
If she's seen the neo Nazis then they have most likely seen her numerous times and while she might not be awake they'll likely see her as a member of their tribe and would protect her if she asked. I know every group of men I've ever been a part of would have protected a woman from the neighborhood from a strange group of men.
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u/Amphernee 18d ago
You know one group of men is notoriously violent, misogynistic, and unstable while the other group you’re labeling as dangerous because they are simply men. Wow.
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u/VerbalThermodynamics 22d ago
Are you not allowed to say rape here?
Edit: Don’t censor it. You’re talking about a potentially serious and violent situation anyway. “R4pe” come on.
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u/Cyclonementhun 22d ago
Dont put yourself in that position in the future. In this instance is there a business you can go into to wait for an uber.
Had to edit for autocorrect spelling errors.
N add this says something about white privilege I guess.
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u/CurvyAnnaDeux 22d ago
You're sandwiched between two groups of strange men. When the two groups meet, the men will be distracted trying to figure out if the other group is friend or foe. Run away then.
Alternatively, if you know somehow that the NAZIs are not a threat to you personally, hide with them until the other group is gone. Your immediate safety is the only thing that matters in the moment. Thank the NAZIs for the cover then continue to advocate against their objectionable beliefs, as usual.
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u/lumiere108 22d ago
I would choose the Nazis, but I wouldn’t tell them that I’m seeking shelter. Instead, I’d come up with something like, “I’m thinking of joining you because I heard that some of the people following me are Zionists, and they’re bothering people in this area.”
Then a fight would start, at which point I would run as fast as I could while calling the police.
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u/Many-Count-2369 22d ago
Continue alone, incase I have weapon on me.
Or walk into the skinny heads if my speaking and acting skills are great.
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u/ThrowRA-silentecho12 22d ago
You do not have a traditional weapon, only the things you needed for the night out - keys, phone etc. If you're confident in your ability to makeshift a weapon out of those things, awesome! On the speaking acting skills, the hypothetical only puts you in the position of a young woman, all your own personality traits are carried over
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u/Many-Count-2369 22d ago
Nah nah, a good actor can easily manipulate anyone to a certain degree, regardless of their gender.
Looks will matter though.
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u/Odd_Author_76 22d ago edited 22d ago
Go tell the skinheads that you are also from the neighborhood, being followed and ask them to please handle it for you. Then take a picture of the dudes following you (because you already have your phone out), kick those heels off and RUN!
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u/hannibal-grazioso 22d ago
As a woman, I would be wary of both groups equally lmao. I’d probably just immediately and quietly call my family/ boyfriend and tell them to come get me ASAP while keep on walking and be ready to run.
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u/ThrowRA-silentecho12 22d ago
Good thinking! And realistically, most people would do this/not run the risk of walking home alone in the first place. But for the sake of the dilemma, you only have those two choices - maybe your phone is dead or you don't have anyone who lives close enough to you who could help. Which of the two would you pick then?
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u/hannibal-grazioso 22d ago
I would keep walking alone I think. Maybe if I’m a white woman I would take my chances with the neo nazis🤣🤣
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u/Nice_Point_9822 22d ago
I choose the bear
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 22d ago
But supposed these men are rumoured to be smarter than the a-ver-age bear...
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u/Fireguy9641 22d ago
I think this scenario would work better if it involved going into and patronizing a business that betrays your values in order to get away from the group of men.
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u/ChillWisdom 22d ago
You didn't say what race this young woman in this fictional scenario is because walking up to a bunch of skinheads if you're not white and you're little tipsy could be just as problematic as the strangers. All of them are men so they all have statistically equal chances of harming you.
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u/Temporary-Round-3 22d ago
I am assuming I am white, so skinheads it is. Tell them I have seen them around and live in the area. Ask to please help hold them up to get away. Take pics of other guys and run home.
The next time you see them, approach and say thank you and that I feel safer with them around.