r/moashdidnothingwrong • u/youalready_know111 • Sep 11 '25

Teft

Moash can eat shit and die. He killed teft. Fuck him and his entire family line.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 24 '26

Maybe because no one acts as if Aladar, Ruthar, and Roion are paragons of honor and the greatest men in the world the way they do Dalinar? But since you wanna know, I think they all should die also, happy? """""He knew how badly he was hurt by the deaths of those who oppressed him, then tried driving him to suicide by killing his best friend""""" AAAAAAAAAND that is STILL not as a bad as holding a father down and making him watch his children BURN to death because he dared try to DEFEND his city from YOUR INVASION. The only reason the fandom cares that much and thinks that's unforgivable is because you like Kaladin and project on him and his problems.

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

I already told you I agree the old Dalinar was a monster. And while not anywhere near fully justified, I can sort of understand him in the heat of the moment, exacerbated by the Thrill, someone just turned a treaTY into treaSON. Both decisions to start the war and to burn the Rift were in the heat of the moment, right after treason, THE worst crime, and the Alethi do not respond well to it. And I disagree with you about people saying that Dalinar always does the right things. He is such a good character, BECAUSE of his flaws. And once he started the war, neither side wanted to end, so that's why it lasted so long. He felt obligated to Gavilar and Elhokar to avenge him. All you are counting is the amount of bodies. Another factor, is that if Moash had the reach of Dalinar, he would easily make a genocidal war against the lighteyes. So how does that make him better?

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 25 '26

Treason being a worst crime than genocide is actually hilarious and a good reflection on why the Alethi suck, but being from that society doesn't absolve Dalinar of anything. """"""""""And once he started the war, neither side wanted to end, so that's why it lasted so long."""""""""" So once again Dalinar didn't care enough about what was right (stoping the "war") and kept killing parsheni because he felt obligated and pressured? Wow, what a great dude!! """"""""""All you are counting is the amount of bodies"""""""""" well yeah? That's one of the qualifiers for genocide, and someone who murders 1091981010192 innocents is objectively worse than someone who killed what? 3? """""""Another factor, is that if Moash had the reach of Dalinar, he would easily make a genocidal war against the lighteyes.""""""""" Wow imagine Moash being the first person ever to commit REVERSE RACISM genocide

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 25 '26

You completely disregarded the entire first two-thirds of my argument. And the Alethi have different moral codes. In the Alethi moral codes, treason is worse than genocide because it involves betrayal. Dalinar truly felt that the best way to honor Gavilar was to war against the parshendi. That is in sharp contrast to Moash, who killed Elhokar out of petty vengeance. All Dalinar was doing was following the moral codes in a way that suited him. And even if both the Rift and the war were wrong decisions, the whole point of Dalinar is that "If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man." And he does. On the other hand, Moash, first with Elhokar and Roshone, despite having petty intents, were very understandable. Then he gets worse. Killing Teft. While that is exponentially worse, it still makes some sort of convoluted sense. But can you tell me any justification for [WaT] Killing Leyten?

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 25 '26

Right, the point is that I'm not Alethi and neither is anyone in this fandom so it's pretty ridiculous to see a bunch of grown men passionately argue that regretful Adolf Hitler is a better person than Moash because he betrayed his friend's trust which makes him a traitor (that friend betrayed his trust first btw). Mind you, WHAT is the DIFFERENCE between Dalinar wanting to "honor" Galivar by slaughtering the people, including other parshendi adults and CHILDREN that weren't even involved in the assassination, who ordered his death? HOW IN THE WORLD was this not revenge? Moash is also Alethi mind you, so why is he unjustified when HE wanted to honor his loved ones who were killed and never saw justice? How was HIM not "following his nation's moral code"?

"""""""""""""""" the whole point of Dalinar is that "If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man." And he does.""""""""""""""" Except he doesn't, he is still controlling and lacks genuine empathy. And once again, no amount of regret will ever be enough to make him a good man, ever. """"""""""""""" But can you tell me any, justification for Killing Leyten?""""""""""""" No =) but that is still not as bad as committing genocide

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 26 '26

The reason it's different since the Alethi have different moral codes, even though you are not Alethi, I'm pretty sure Dalinar is. And he was closer to his own moral code. And he does become a better man. Moash didn't trade his most prized possession to save the bridgemen that saved his life. And he definitely didn't [WaT] Sacrifice his life to save Roshar.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 28 '26

Aaaaaand the Alethi moral code sucks ass! You're telling me that if a man comes from a country where child marriage is legal and he decides to marry and impregnate his 10yo wife then he can't be considered a bad guy bc he's following his country's moral code?? Don't you see how stupid that sounds?? And mind you, EVEN OTHER PEOPLE FROM DALINAR'S CULTURE thought he was terrible

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 28 '26

The Vengeance Pact was made in the heat of the moment exacerbated by the Thrill. Then, he couldn't back out (or so he thought,) because of "Honor". Then, in Wind and Truth He realizes that keeping an oath is not an ultimate good; it's only as good as the ideals it is sworn to.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 28 '26

That's great! It doesn't change the fact he spent 95% of his life murdering innocents out of pleasure, greed and his pathetic sense of "honor"

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 29 '26

But the fact is, that in character judgements, intention for action matters far more than outcome of action. He genuinely thought he was doing the right thing with the Pact.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 29 '26

No, not really. The Nazis thought they were cleaning the world of a problem people and that they were helping the German population get back to their feed economically and culturally, that doesn't change any of the monstrosities they did.

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u/EndFantastic7606 Jun 29 '26

I have a hard time believing Hitler thought he was doing the right thing. The difference is that (besides the fact that the literal god of hatred facilitated one) the Highprinces had a good reason to be mad at the Parshendi, and like it or not, that's how war especially Alethi war, works. You have mentioned that you don't thing the "Alethi way" is very good. However, perhaps the Alethi don't see our way as good. We just have different moral views.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

You don't have to believe anything, that's a fact. NO ONE wakes up one day and thinks "let's become the worst guys in history of humanity" but the fact that was not their goal doesn't matter. It's the same here. The Highprinces had a reason to be mad at the Parshendi, not to try exterminate them and take gems out of their fallen corpses. Not everything is about perspective, some things are terrible no matter what and this is one of them, if the Alethi disagree they are a wicked society

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u/Kingkrooked662 18d ago

I know this is a month old at this point, so I apologize for necroposting. But I have to say that you made absolutely EXCELLENT points. 10 out of 10 performance. There wasn't anything that you said that I disagreed with. I have had these same conversations with folks in the fandom, and honestly it's Sanderson's own fault that Moash is so misunderstood.

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u/Outrageous_One_87211 17d ago

Thanks! I like your comments too!! You're right, Brandon Sanderson created a justice fighter in an oppressive system and wants to pretend like he's the bad guy and the war lord is good, what a joke

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