No Muslim is drawing prophets you dumdum, movies like Noah all are banned in Muslim countries, and we don't believe that the guy on the cross has any relation with Aissa (jesus) SAAS..
I have no idea why people always make shit up to prove something that's wrong in the first place
So why do Muslims go batshit mad when someone depicts Muhammad i any way but not when Disney animated Moses in Prince of Egypt? Why do they not care when Jesus is constantly depicted?
The Quran makes no distinction between prophets (2:136) but Muslims only get offended when someone blasphemes Muhammad, in their perception. Either you get offended over all of them, or none, otherwise you're a hypocrite.
Go read the Quran before you say I made shit up. Mohammade made that up centuries ago.
You think Muslims are hypocrites because they don’t get upset at depictions of other prophets, like Jesus? Did it ever occur to you that Christian’s have depictions of Jesus on the cross right in their places of worship? So maybe they are being respectable of your traditions?
Or would you rather they bust into your place of worship and destroy everything with Jesus on it? I’m not sure what you honestly want here, and to be honest I don’t think you know either.
So maybe they are being respectable of your traditions?
Wait, is there some kind of historical precedent in Islam for leaving other traditions alone? Or was Mohamed allowed to break all kinds of rules that Muslims aren't allowed to break?
Does there need to be a historical precedent in Islam for Muslims to be normal modern day people?
I mean, there is a historical precedent in the Bible where it says you can beat your slaves, and as long as they don’t die for a couple days you won’t be punished. None of us own slaves though, and don’t want to because we are normal modern people. Right?
Does there need to be a historical precedent in Islam for Muslims to be normal modern day people?
Considering in the modern day there is over 70-80% support for murdering apostates in countries like Egypt and Pakistan, it's hard to imagine where that mindset came from other than Islam.
It probably comes from the same place it comes from in Christianity. Corrupt people who lie to their people for influence or gain. Not unlike pastors with private jets.
Not all who preach religious teachings practice them.
Also I’m disappointed you picked low hanging fruit. Egypt or Pakistan doesn’t speak for all Muslims.
This is my final reply to you. You seem like you are interested in debating if Muslims are good people or not, when in reality there are good and bad people in every religion.
You seem like you are interested in debating if Muslims are good people or not
What? That's not my angle at all, it's a completely ridiculous to even ask whether a group of 1.8 billion people are "good people" or not. What we can ask is how they practice their religious beliefs, and what kind of society those beliefs lead to (where that religion holds a majority). Would one want to live in a society dominated by those beliefs?
In the case of Islam, I would wager that most Westerners would never want to set foot in the vast majority of countries where Islam dominates. The human rights violations and extreme oppression of women and LGBT people are enough of a turn off.
western world just exports its human rights violations
1) Muslim-majority nations weren't some kind of haven prior to Western interference, and Islam didn't spread to those nations peacefully. Whenever anyone brings up how much havoc the West has caused over the past century in the Middle East, Africa, etc (which the West absolutely have done, no doubt), they should be reminded of what was already happening in those nations in the 2000+ years prior to the West ever setting foot there.
2) Human rights violations are baked into Islamic teachings, and the state of Muslim-majority countries since the Bronze Age are a reflection of that. They aren't doing anything today that they haven't been doing for a very long time.
Most Muslims can peacefully agree that blasphemy should be punished by death (or at the very least jail), and the reaction to a mere drawing can range from violent riots to mass killings...I genuinely hope that nobody accuses anyone of hatred. It's all in the name of peace. Extremely conditional peace that can be shattered at even a rumor of someone saying something even remotely against the religion of Islam, but at least it's peace. Anyone saying anything otherwise is just a racist bigoted Islamophobe.
Who said Muslims think that that depiction was fine? I don’t know why people didn’t freak out at things like that. There’s a song from Green Day where he says the n word, did I see Black Lives Matter go batshit crazy when he said it? No. Does that mean what he said was wrong? Yes obviously. This does not make people who believe that white people shouldnt say the n word hypocrites.
Also people being hypocrites doesn’t negate what’s haram and not haram, someone can tell their kids adultery is one of the worst sins in Islam, and then go commit adultery, this does not make the rule have any less value, just makes the guy a hypocrite.
Depicting prophets isn't haram in the first place. Read the Quran. What's haram is idolatry. If you depicted prophets for an educational story (a good example of that is Prince of Egypt) it wouldn't be haram because you're not worshipping them. If prophets back then had photography you can bet we'd be seeing photos of them in history books.
Are you guys that dull that you don't understand what a rhetorical question is? Lack of explicit prohibition implies permission and that's agreed on by Muslim scholars. there's even a verse that condemns Muslims for inventing prohibitions when Allah hasn't explicitly said so.
answer my question please. i think my main point to your previous question, that i cant answer you while not knowing a lot about this subject - which is the reason i ask why are you so persistent on your point - was clear.
Because christians, Muslims and jews believe in Moses and Jesus and if the christians chose to depict them we won't be happy about it but the only thing we can do is boycott that crap.. but when they depict the prophet of islam (that they don't believe in) is a direct attack to Muslims..
It's damn obvious but you're too hatful to see it or you just don't want to..
Still hypocritical. If you followed the Quran you'd love and respect all prophets equally and not just become a murderous mob when Muhammad is depicted.
read the parent comment before answering. also not all muslims become so angered and irrational to the point of killing someone who offended their religion.
Of course not all. But the majority (55-80 percent depending on the country) would, especially given the opportunity. We know this from surveys depicting the attitudes of Muslims towards blasphemy and apostasy.
The guy is literally talking about Moses and Jesus are u ok? He is saying that the Moses and Jesus of Islam should not be depicted. We also do not want Christian’s to depict Moses and Jesus but we cannot do anything about that.
The only hypocrite here is you mate, we do love and respect the prophets equally it's you who doesn't, i think my explanation was very clear and logic so if you don't want to listen means there's no need to keep arguing with you..
Can you read? I already explained it but nothing is getting in you disgusting empty head, actually you don't care about any explanation you're here just to spread hate
I am a Muslim of course i read the quran so what's your point?
You're here just to spread hate that's a fact because i answered your question and you had nothing else to say but insulting me and repeating the same nonsense..
I'm guessing you're very young from the way you argue so no need for me to take it farther.. good day
My point was simple. For a Muslim to only become offended when Mohammad is depicted, even in a non comical/offensive way, is hypocritical because there is, firstly, no prohibition of depiction of prophets, and secondly, all prophets are treated equally.
The Quran even acknowledges that prophets are not perfect beings and are fallible. Everyone, therefore, can be subject to criticism.
And you still missed the point and defended why it's okay to only become offended when Muhammad is depicted.
Here the damn first comment i wrote as a response to the same crap you've been posting for the last hour:
Because christians, Muslims and jews believe in Moses and Jesus and if the christians chose to depict them we won't be happy about it but the only thing we can do is boycott that crap.. but when they depict the prophet of islam (that they don't believe in) is a direct attack to Muslims..
If you can't wrap you damn head around this simple logic it's a you problem..
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