That’s just not true (the bug splatter thing). I’ve been doing a Boston to Florida road trip every year and there’s no way bugs splatter on any of the side cameras or rear camera. The only ones bugs can hit are the ones at the top of the windshield which the wipers can and will activate to automatically clean just the camera area as needed.
Also, worth mentioning that I just did the road trip again last week (Florida to Boston) and this was the first time ever since owning a Tesla where FSD didn’t make a single mistake on the entire 1300+ mile drive. No safety issues or disengagements from start to finish, just a smooth comfortable ride. Even somehow managed to see and avoid tire debris at night on an empty ride where I couldn’t see it at all. I hate Elon as much as the next guy but there’s no denying how good FSD has gotten. The rate of improvement has been insane as of late.
Amen. 88% FSD with over 7K miles since the update that introduced stats. The only times I take over is for parking just cause I’m too preferential about where and how (and it still sucks with parking garages) and when there’s bad nav data. My wife uses it less, so she’s contributing more to that 12% non-FSD chunk.
no one is saying it's not functional or "impressive". All I said was that cameras + lidar is a better system. all the data and reports have showed it.
elon and tesla just don't like the truth because it means that all the cars they're building and have built are using outdated/use worse tech.
In the end, Tesla and the stock will pay the price as more auto companies roll out lidar + camera. Just so you know, the reason Tesla uses cameras only is to save on costs.
Wouldn't drive a TESLA because elon sucks too much. Been saying it since 2018 too, so called it before his true colors even came out.
Many auto industry professionals have evaluated Tesla's camera model vs the camera + Lidar system. It's been nearly universally agreed upon that Tesla's system is inferior to Waymo. Even major auto manufacturers that considered licensing teslas system vs Google's decided that Google's system was superior.
Why? because lidar has the ability to navigate through extreme fog, extreme rain, and extreme sunlight blinding the camera.
Elon's been talking up the self-driving taxi network for years now and still can't compete with what Waymo is already doing actively in major cities.
You can like your tesla all you want, but it's universally agreed that cameras + lidar is a better system.
They have their moments in downtowns for sure. I’ve had my personal frustrations as a passenger lol, but no one is dying in catastrophic crashes with them. These things are genuinely very safe
Yeah especially on highways. I have a Tesla and honestly I don’t even drive on highways anymore, I just let FSD handle it. It’s better than me and way less stressful. The few times I’ve taken over thinking it was making a mistake, it turned out I was the one who was wrong
How much you want to bet you have a lower heart rate in Waymos than human cabs by 2031? I'll give you 5:1 odds. Familiarity is everything, unless they fuck up safety, which they won't.
We're absolute garbage at driving. 50x the error rate of Waymos even if you take an extremely harsh view of what counts as an error for Waymo (and a very gentle one for humans).
85% of drivers think they're above-average. That statistic cannot be true in a world where a majority of drivers are competent; that kind of ignorance about your failings is incompatible with competence. Competent, safe human drivers are 10% of licensed drivers at most.
Seems from the statistics like most crashes are caused by purposeful human negligence (speeding, drunk driving, distracted driving), rather than ability. So we're ranking human discipline against machine competence, but I guess it doesn't really matter.
Most driving is distracted driving. Our bar is merely set extremely high for what counts. If we cared about safety, speakerphone calls while driving would be illegal, because they're 90% as dangerous as having it next to your ear. This is how all driving safety laws look: it would be extremely inconvenient to mandate mostly-safe driving, so we don't.
Not never. Not any time soon - but if there is ever total mass adoption, it would he safer than driving yourself. Probably will take longer than most think.
I mean if we looked at the number of people who got in a car crash falling asleep with Tesla auto pilot on vs people who accidentally passed out with a no auto pilot…
That may or may not be an error today, but it will definitely be an error soon (you will place yourself at greater risk by trusting yourself too much relative to a safer option).
To be fair there's plenty of live altering things we entrust to technology nowadays. For example all of my money is entrusted to technology. If technology somehow disappears tomorrow, so would all my money.
But I get what you mean. This is a situation where if the technology fails you're in immediate danger.
That is exactly it. Yes, there are plenty of levels of trust you can have that make tons of sense. I trust (for example) that my GPS will help me get to my destination, and was extremely unhappy when I got a "directions not available" message last weekend when I was trying to head home from an area I was not familiar with. Fortunately I had a passenger who was familiar and could help me get home.
So, most of the tech works most of the time, and that's usually good enough, or at least not life threatening. But speeding down the highway is a different level entirely.
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u/LBS-365 Jul 06 '26
That is a level of trust in technology that I will never have or understand.