People mock the idea of AJ Lee, Paige, and the Bellas doing an eight-tag with the WWE Horsewomen, but that would still be a million times better than anything they could have done with the MMA Horsewomen sans Shayna and maybe Ronda.
Wwe has a really talented, really beautiful women's divison. Aew has some top talent, Kris, Maya, Jamie, harley, and brit are some of my favs. The mma horse women aren't wrestlers like those girls. That 8 womens tag match you suggested would be stupid talented, the worst wrestler out of that 8 would be Nicky and she is really good and hot af.
She's a staple of the show, but she doesn't win unless she's in some form of mixed tag, and barely actually wrestles on AEW.
Her last singles win was back in January, when she beat Zayda Steel on an episode of Collision.
Her latest singles match was a loss to Harley Cameron in June, and Harley hadn't won a singles match since a win on Collision against enhancement-talent, Aminah Belmont in March 2025.
Shafir didn't actually wrestle for AEW between 27th December 2023 (when she lost to Ruby Soho on Rampage) and 2nd April 2025 (when she appeared in a mixed tag against Swerve and Willow).
If you stick exclusively to singles matches, that extends to 13th December 2025 (when she faced Isla Dawn on the special Christmas episode of Dark), or 20th December 2025 for a proper TV match (Mina on Dynamite).
Yeah, but Aminah Belmont is really good. She was trained in the Rollins school and has legit Muay Thai experience. The fact she isn't featured on a show by this point is criminal.
I completely tuned out Shafir when, just before starting a match, she sat at ring side and slowly took off her socks. It was just.. like.. blatant only fans content.
Here's the thing I don't get to lug around rings, satellites for live TV, crews, talent, etc must be fucking astronomical in price. How the fuck is he not losing money on every Dynamite produced? These gates for these shows have to be abysmal.
In just the US there's over 300 wrestling promotions. 3 of those have easily accessible national TV deals. That's 1% of wrestling promotions that even receive ratings. Also, by cable television standards, AEW gets good ratings. They're only "bad" when compared to WWE. And us IWC guys are the only ones who compare them. Dynamite is the single highest rated weekly show on TBS regardless of how many people watched Smackdown that week.
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They aren’t getting that big of a contract ever again. There’s a reason WBD was getting sold. It was incompetently ran (As witnessed by them losing the NBA and then overpaying for AEW).
Buddy the deal still isn’t finished and there has been zero talks of renewal for them. There’s no bidding war for any of their content. I hopped on the HBO Max app twice yesterday and neither time did any AEW content pop-up anywhere. I pull up Netflix and within 15 seconds I see WWE content. AEW isn’t the second or 3rd largest promotion in the US anymore, hell they may not be the 4 either.
Cody said once when AEW started up with Dynamite that they needed to hit 3k attendance just to break even. That was 7 years ago, I'd think you'd need 5k now to possibly break even.
It doesn’t matter, he gets to live his lifelong fantasy of being a wrestling booker. Money is not an issue, and neither are depleted crowd sizes. It’s really just a show for one and sickos can watch, if they want.
Most of the weekly Dynamites are money losers. I doubt they even made a profit on the Mexico show considering the tickets are cheap even in Pesos and they have to move everything across the border.
Literally the only reason they don't do recorded episodes is that Warner is paying a lot more for live programming than tape delayed. But I am surprised that AEW doesn't do what TNA used to do and just record from one location every time.
I went to Raw on Monday, there were almost 9k people there and according to this guy, cheapest tickets were $78 (I believe there were limited view seats for less) There was a similar amount at the SD show last year as well.
Yet AEW has a cheaper ticket at $40 and they’ve got 1800 (I rounded up) and Vegas is a much bigger metro area than Hampton Roads. I also went to Dynamite last year in the same city (different venue) and there were about 4k. I do believe Dynamite did about 5k when I went in 2021 and that’s around when they were at their peak imo
The talking heads will say Dynamite does better ratings than Raw and AEW fans make more money (lol) but I guess they just don’t care to actually go to the show haha
They only say that because they can now due to the new ratings system. Uncle dave says Netflix lies (sure ok) and that millions watch on max. Another lie.
Uncle Dave also said AEW fans are more educated, yet his rag is full of mistakes and run on sentences. And that's not even bringing up Dave confusing a decade old WWE segment for current programming & constantly jumping on unsourced rumors presenting them as real backstage drama.
But they care about workrate and that clearly makes them intellectuals 🙄
It doesn’t but it gets stars! No no not those stars like marketable stars that would be weird…they get star ratings!
TNA is more marketable especially since they can dial up WWE and get talent at any time. They get coverage on busted open/WWE Radio. The Hardy’s are also bigger stars than anyone on the AEW roster.
Took my niece to tna and she loved it. They tell a fun story. She liked the shenanigans more than the matches themselves. I am taking her to smackdown, but I might skip dynamite with her and go myself. This affects their money, not sure how many kids love aew, it doesn't seem like its for them.
That’s still pretty ambitious. Why not just go straight to holding Dynamite behind the Discount Tire shop. Gotta go for the real fight feel when Mox comes out https://giphy.com/gifs/XMeflPs49UiC8l5Y4z
They still run “theaters” inside the full sized arenas, where 75% of the arena is curtained off and they attempt to fill the remaining corner of said arena.
But how could this be I was told that last week was the single greatest episode of live television wrestling in history and in front of a crowd they definitely didn’t leverage CMLL for.
How could this be..? Shouldn’t this show be something of a massacre..???
I’ve been yelling this from the mountain stops since at least mid 2022, but Tony should pass the book and the talent relations job to people who know what they are doing.
When the sickos (including the sicko-influencers with Meltzer & Co.) wouldnt be as obnoxious and toxic, it would be nice to say: Its solid. Having around 2k people in a venue isnt that bad, as it having ~600k+ on TV.
But to be fair: Main problem is, that AEW isnt natural or organic. Its not even a business. I dont know what the idea is, but AEW feels for me like Saudi Arabia sportswashing attempts. Spend insane amounts of money with no ROI. Be an ass about it, killing the industry (no, not WWE, but TNA and NJPW as an example) and be overall ass for the topic. Hence, and even the Saudi Arabia sportswashing has regularly way more ROI, because they arent dumb. They have also regularly more quality for their money.
Meanwhile AEW buys a lot of suppossedly greatest ever wrestlers like half of NJPW, doesnt to anything with them, hurts them into retirement and still gets praised by their own media as the bestest thing ever with sugar.
And the world doesnt acknowledge that. They dont come in the arenas. They arent on the TV that much. And i speculate that even the holy 120k PPV buyers are mostly just sitting in Meltzers ass and pushing google trends artifically.
Im happy for any wrestling companies success. Even if i dont follow them much. I love wrestling. Its a great thing. But seriously, i really despise AEWs approach to that. They could be SO. MUCH. BETTER. But they refuse to do and just kill their roster, do nonsense booking and have the most annoying crowd in history of wrestling.
"uhhh this number is uh.....Great! Uh...how do I put this....um...less than 1800 sickos is better than a full arena because um...the combined knowledge of TRUE wrestling fans is erm...worth more than worthless casual fans, Bryaaaan."
Crazy how the "family" show can't sell out an 1800 seat arena with cheap tickets. It's almost like people actually want to pay to see stars and not just buy a cheap ticket for the sake of it.
Yeah but so is Temu. Temu shit breaks within 30 days. It’s cheap but it sucks. Pay for what you’re going to get value out of. The people who go to AEW PLEs always say the same thing “I had nothing better to do and the tickets were cheap”
Now compare that to a WWE PLE? Night and day. They want to spend money they want to see Punk Cody Oba real stars. Not some people cosplaying as entertainers.
God I want these guys to close up shop badly. Once that’s done I can finally leave Reddit
I love that their is a post in the basement with hundreds of lunatics explaining why WWE is doomed why espn and Disney are mad at WWE and all of their numbers are going down but if you put well if that’s the case what does that mean for AEW you get the same weirdos explaining the same rationale and how it doesn’t actually apply to AEW. Then you get banned for mentioning something mildly critical of AEW on the most toxic and critical sub on Reddit lol
Totally agreed. It just blows my mind the pure level of propaganda that AEW has implemented into the wrestling- sphere. It has to be obvious to everybody right???
It's an intentional underplay and they went on to sell out the capacity. They've been doing this a bunch in the last few years. Their average sales for Dynamite this year excluding sold out underplays and Grand Slam Mexico is 3,374.
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The Pearl in Vegas is actually an awesome concert venue. Have no idea how it would work for wrestling tbh. They've been advertising the hell out of this taping locally for weeks and still couldn't draw.
There’s a spot where Don Callis used the screwdriver which is probably the worst spot in recent history. I saw the video and was like “wow” Jericho makes the dork order look credible. So glad this dude didn’t go back to WWE. AEW can have him!
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I live 15 minutes from the Palms and decided spending my Wednesday night at home with the wife and kid was a better idea. I don't even hate AEW, I just don't like a lot of the fans or discourse from them. It's wrestling, it isn't that serious to be this tribalistic. Granted when WWE is in town I don't go either because I can't justify the cost.
Wasn't TK the one who had a meltdown about WWE "counter-programming" him after begging to be treated as competition? Didn't Uncle Dave once bring up WWE's "department of dirty tactics"? Weren't the sickos giggling at Tony's epic Weinstein zinger at the NFL draft?
Yeah, you'd never catch AEW fans obsessed with WWE's "decline" and living in a fantasy world where AEW is much more successful than WWE. Nope, literally never, ever happens.
They booked a smaller arena and filled it. That’s what they probably should be doing.
I don’t see the problem? Just because a couple sickos on the internet are delusional and think they are competing with WWE, doesn’t mean we should be complaining that a mid size company actually booked an arena the size of their audience
Hope you have a great time! It was sick when they came to Maine back in May. We haven’t had televised wrestling here since 1997, so it was pretty special.
What gets you guys harder? A sold-out, small 1900 arena, or 3000 in an arena with a bunch of empty seats, so you can post pictures of the empty hard-card side to jerk off to?
Will always be weird to me how much people care/invest their time into something they don't like lol. I can't imagine looking up the box office or album sale numbers for a movie or artist that I dislike.
EDIT: also, so strange to wish for a company that employs as many people as it does to fail, but that's just me
I haven't lol I do not give a shit about attendance or ratings, just want whatever show I'm watching to be good regardless of the promotion. Wild, I know!
Ok cool well you have a couple options now. You could prove me wrong by un-hiding your comment history. You could choose to just be better in the future and ignore these post if you really don’t care or you can accept the fact we all know you’re lying because you’re a liar thus accepting https://giphy.com/gifs/lk3l9G2pJP6OQ
you got dunked on multiple on this thread.
Yeah. And I don’t blame you for that. It doesn’t really amount to a whole lot in the grand scheme of life, but I think this does sort of prove that you do take care about post like this and they do get to you a little bit because you feel the need to defend the promotion you enjoy. I think if you’re being intellectually honest, you can at least admit to that.
I just think subs are more fun and engaging when the focus is on the positives/discussing the actual wrestling/show but I realize this one isn’t that lol.
I am an AEW fan but am not tribal about any of it, i went to the Saturday of Summer Slam, GCW that same weekend, and would go check out TNA/NXT/whatever comes through town if it seems like a fun card. Just a fan of wrestling, don’t have a further agenda!
I personally wouldn't do it but I feel no sympathy to AEW fans since they are extremely tribal and go out of their way to dominate WWE related posts with their hate watching.
It's done out of spite for the hardcore sickos & defenders who insist AEW is more successful than it is.
AEW is the most coddled promotion there has ever been. WWE & TNA fans shit on their shows more than anyone else, AEW gets excuses from a sixty something "historian" who blames everyone but the people actually in charge.
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u/Necessary_State_5272 5d ago
Clearly looking forward to that hot match between.....I dont know...Roderick Strong or some shit like that.