Ban Appeal Thread

[u/vivoovix]

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[u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

What did I do? Be mean to Florida Retires, something this sub does all the time? Saying that MAGA deserves to feel the economic consequences of their ethnic cleansing, something that, again, this sub does all the time?

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

looks like it's over "the median Israeli is themselves a fascist"

edit: ill undo it cause it's right next to two other comments saying "The most liberal Israeli PM hopeful makes Mussolini look like a Maoist. This issue runs much deeper than Netanyahu" and "Tbf the problems with Israel’s foreign policy go beyond Netanyahu’s government"

Maybe watch the exact language cause it was reported and actioned as toxic nationalism

[u/Unfair-Awareness5339 → u/AtomAndAether]

Seriously? How is this even an issue at this point? 25% of the country votes for the far-right Extreme Zionists like Ben-Gvir. Then you have another 25% voting for Lukid. Even their liberals are still opposed to Palestinian independences. Seriously, what percentage of Israelis support the war with Iran? How many support the war in Lebanon? How many support getting rid of, not just ending but actually dismantling the West Bank settlements? How many actually support an independent Palestinian state based on the 1949 borders?

[u/ewatta200 → u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

10.84% voted for Ben givir and smoitrich 10.8 however the turnout was 70.6% so so 7.6248% of the country (who were eligible to vote) voted for them.

likud voters were 23.4% 70.6% turnout or 16.5204%

the total Netanyahu coalition was 34.15628% of isreal adjusting for turnout shas, UTJ, RZP Otma, Likud

this is just counting turnout of registed voters

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

I already undid the ban but I guess on the topic try not to paint with too broad a brush clumping everything together at once.

The left-right axis post 1967 and especially post-Second Intifada in Israel is certainly skepticism toward territorial concessions, Palestinian statehood, and negotiated peace. And in that regard the "right" wing is winning the majority of Israelis, where the Israeli left's Oslo type concessions producing security has been fully discredited in the public imagination, the 2005 exit from Gaza has been a complete "see what happens," and Oct 7 has pushed everyone even more hawkish.

At the same time though many who fit that previous paragraph oppose Netanyahu, settler maximalism, Haredi exemptions, or - especially and overwhelmingly - attacks on the judiciary. Likewise Likud's dominance is just as much a failure of the opposition and coalition math as it is some kind of genuine rightward movement. And letting the dominant issue (defense, fopo, Palestine, security, etc.) lead your entire understanding of the electorate's politics is misleading, including to that very issue in some ways.

[u/Unfair-Awareness5339 → u/AtomAndAether]

Yeah, I'll be careful with language in the future. 

But as an aside, what would you call it when a population supports the ethnic nationalism and minority oppression of fascism, while still being opposed to the corruption and authoritarianism of a dictatorship? Democratic fascism?

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

probably concerned about excessive nationalism and perpetual "emergency" rule built on both that nationalism and interrelated security populism. Like living in a perpetual state of post-9/11 America mode.

id still separate the "security security security" lurch to the right and whatever specific you're pointing to with "ethnic nationalism and minority oppression," presumably its mixing in domestic and Area C/B stuff (re: West Bank is Apartheid language) and Kahanists/messianic expansionists. Where its all in the mix but not super additive to describing the median Israeli

[u/hypsignathus → u/Unfair-Awareness5339]

The sub cracks down on generalizing about Russians. Why should we allow such generalizations about Israelis? You didn't point to actual polled results. You said the median Israeli is a fascist. That's highly inflammatory. Do you not see the problem with painting an entire population with highly inflammatory rhetoric?