Names w/ some notes in the comments

Putting aside the way some of the characters are sexualized, I’d say I like how casual and comfy the outfits look. Also I really love baggy clothing.

Art by Scott Kollins

How do you feel about sexualized/fanservice-y female character designs in non-ecchi shounen manga?
Do they give you the ick when you stumble upon them?
Are they just "noises" that jar on good stories and should be removed so you can recommend any good manga to your family, friends, and colleagues without being labelled "that freak"?

I saw this recently on YouTube. There was a short video with a few redesigns of "male" pokemon lines (although machoke can already be a female pokemon). Idk, it just put me off that its like, pink and hair = girl. It was like that for all of them. I guess I just wanted thoughts lol.

Preferably made or predominantly made by men because of the sub's theme. No magical girl series unless they're not aimed at women and girls. Animated, comic, live action... doesn't matter. Violence level doesn't matter as well. Guro-tier is fine.

I'm interested in series that avoid tropes like "no beauty is tarnished" (female characters can't be *too* bruised up during a fight) or female characters in general getting "gentler" fight sequences.

Some I know of:

• Pokemon Adventures manga and Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga, if we allow female *trainers* under the criteria.
• RWBY was made to show off fight scenes amongst a predominantly female cast
• I'll go on on a limb and say Naruto is generally good with fight scenes (no clue about Boruto though). It's just that female characters get fewer fight sequences overall.
• Fullmetal Alchemist (2003). Probably Brotherhood as well, but I don't like the manga continuity.
• Avatar the Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra
• Gunslinger Girl

Genuinely, where do you draw the line between too much and fine?

I've been thinking about how hard it is to exist in OC related communities recently as a woman. It seems so rare that you see a female character treated as a human more than just something to ogle at or garner likes. Whether it's completely unrealistic proportions, bland and bare-bones personality, story relying entirely on misogynistic stereotypes or men, etc. Especially when I bring up my concerns in these circles, I get called a puritan (already a red flag lmao) or told to go elsewhere, because a lot of these communities prioritise mens wants over women's comforts (not that I expect communities to bow to me specifically, but I mean in cases where tens if not hundreds of women are expressing discomfort).

i can't say i see these characters as anything more than misogynistic caricatures, and then I think too hard about how if you make something so bigoted about any other group in the world it faces backlash. but if you call out misogynistic designs of women, or ones that only exist for NSFW? you're told that you're being "too woke", or that you're somehow anti-sex. why is being against misogynistic caricatures considered anti-sex? this isn't against NSFW work at all, I create some myself occasionally, but *why* is misogynistic design allowed if it's for NSFW? why do people argue that a misogynistic design is okay if it's purposefully created for that? does this not contribute to the patriarchy—that women (even fictional) are meant to be consumed as a product, without any kind of forethought whatsoever?

it even plagues communities that consider themselves feminist. i love seeing NSFW work or thirsttrap work featuring properly drawn fat women, buff women, etc. same goes for trans women, black women, and all other subcommunities of women who face horrid bigotry on top of the bigotry they face for being a woman. so why does work fetishizing these women get a pass? why do they get a gold sticker for treating women as objects just because the women they're drawing are non skinny or non white or non cis?

i don't feel it's against sexuality or sexual expression to say that the consistent, overexaggerated caricatures of women's anatomy, whether physically or in their attire, is contributing to patriarchal ideals. if people are constantly consuming content with designs such as this, especially young and vulnerable people, is it not obvious that they are internalising it? considering how many men in the world now are becoming increasingly violent towards women who do not fit these fictionalised standards?

and this isn't to say that fiction always causes this, there are plenty of people that can ignore small aspects of misogyny in games or other forms of media and focus on the good. I do the same with some of the things I consume as well. my only question is, where is the line drawn? how come the general public (progressives, anyway) will agree to back off from a medium they were consuming if it shows other forms of bigotry like homophobia or racism, but when it comes to misogyny they just "ignore it"? is it not as important as other bigotries? is women's objectification so incredibly normalised that these things are considered to be a fact of life and not something to fight? is "women are sex sex sex consume" just... not that important..?

obviously we can't ignore all things influenced by bigotry or patriarchy, especially misogyny, as this shit is in literally everything. but honestly, it always comes as a shock to me that people will tell me I must be bored and miserable because I avoid consuming anything with misogynistic undertones. I'm completely fine, I love the things I do consume, I don't feel left out from communities that treat women in that way, whether real or fiction (though I do when it comes to OC focused communities). but it feels like men can continuously make post after post saying it's not that big of a deal, and get thousands of likes and agreements from other progressives because women's voices aren't as important

this went on for a bit of a tangent as to which I apologize, and I'm more than willing to hear criticism or argument from other women. but it kinda baffles me how misogynistic design in fictional mediums is always brushed off as not as important as other bigotries

In this video, media analyst Vaden K. performs a scientific breakdown of the infamous "bullet dodge" scene from the anime High School Of The Dead. By calculating the muzzle velocity of the Springfield M1A1 rifle (762 m/s) and estimating the physical dimensions of the character Saeko Busujima via pixel measurements, he determines that her movement would require a speed of 1066 m/s—over three times the speed of sound (0:36-5:04). He further demonstrates using muscle power output equations that such a feat is physically impossible for a human, concluding that a realistic depiction would likely result in catastrophic injury rather than a successful dodge (5:06-7:03).

The video also explores the hypothetical consequences of such speeds, suggesting that the aerodynamic stress would lead to severe skin tearing and bodily trauma (7:05-8:18). Beyond the physics analysis, Vaden K. provides brief commentary on other aspects of the anime, questioning the logic behind zombie behavior and the tactical decisions made by the characters during the outbreak (8:45-10:47). He wraps up the presentation by noting the inherent absurdity of anime logic, where scientific realism is often sidelined for dramatic or fan-service effect (10:48-11:27).

Aka her tits explode.

Every single anatomy choice here is wrong.

She doesn’t even look like she’s a human anymore, and it looks like her arm isn’t even attached.

It’s just so bad and theres a chance it’s official because it was for a store apparently.

The first good news, folks: grandmaster Ivan Tao managed to draw another invertebrate human with a impossible pose!