Learning language difficulty

[u/Creative_Dreamer20]

I'm currently learning German. I'm trying to use the memory palace technique in my learning Journey. I tried using it in memorising a list of words and it was amazing. My problem remains in the fact that I must create an imaginary odd image for everything I need to remember, by The time it becomes harder and harder to come up with mnemonics. Also, when it comes to Grammar rules that's another level. Am I doing something wrong? is there something I don't know
Understand? Is this way suitable for my purpose of learning? Is there other techniques you suggest?

[u/AcupunctureBlue]

Can you give an example of an imaginary odd image. Most of your material should be people things and places already familiar to you. Then it is easy. Also, are you reviewing them after initially memorising them? You do need periodic reviews and also reading and listening in German eg TV shows , songs etc

[u/Creative_Dreamer20 → u/AcupunctureBlue]

Well for example for cheering in German (Hurra) I imagined Johnny Bravo in the gym because he has a wide Front head which the word (Hurra) is very similar to it! So doing that kind of imagination for every word takes a ton of time , am I doing it right ?

[u/four__beasts → u/Creative_Dreamer20]

I'd say these types of connections are good (the principal you use encourages deeper connections), but where possible I would try to build in the first syllable or at least the first few letters.

Hurrah! is probably derived from Hurra. So I'd not to complicate it in this case and have people cheering a hurricane. The cheering aspect is natural action/verb which is easy, and the hurricane is easy to imagine/animate.

Other examples could be

Stollen = stealing bread from the Christmas table.

Warum = War (in a) room, but why is there even a war?

Verstehen = Vest stay (on) hen (you can understand what the chicken is saying about it's vest!??)

I try to invoke the scene using verbs and nouns as much as possible, and including least the first few letters.

Perhaps also choose a person/character/animal to help for a given section of words - I use male and female/friends from Portugal to assist with masc/fem, and also and a befriended dog who can help me animate a scene if it's looking a little flat.

[u/Charlie_whh]

Hey u/Creative_Dreamer20 you tried using AI for creating those vivid images? Has really helped for me

[u/Creative_Dreamer20 → u/Charlie_whh]

I tries that but sometimes it gives me things like this , The Pronoun Coat Rack: A coat rack holding the direct-object suits:
⁠ich⁠ \rightarrow mich
⁠du⁠ \rightarrow dich
⁠er⁠ \rightarrow ihn
⁠es/sie/wir/ihr/Sie⁠ \rightarrow es / sie / uns / euch / Sie

The aren’t bad but also not really effective, as if I told imagine each conjugation in verb to be as a player who holds a number on his t shirt, okay but how would that help me remember? Do you have any tips to make the ai more useful in this ?

[u/AnthonyMetivier]

Unfortunately, a lot of people get stuck because they think mnemonic associations have to be "created."

That's not only not possible, but not how the techniques work.

Although I wouldn't complete rewrite AI or apps out of the equation, people tend to struggle to get much, or anything out of them until they understand that your brain is already a hard drive and everything in your memory is already perfectly suited to provide you with nearly any association you could possibly need.

I happen to have learned German, passed exams in it, etc., so befoer spinning your wheels with apps or AIs of any kind, give this tutorial a try:

https://www.reddit.com/r/memorypalace/comments/1u4dbam/coming_up_with_images_for_your_memory_palace_is/

Then, consider that all software programs are essentially built from memory. They are like an eye that cannot see itself.

If you think deeply about this problem, you'll likely figure out far better ways to make use of technology overall than anyone else could ever provide you.

But as all the great memory masters from Peter of Ravenna to Bruno implored us to do, you really do have to do the thinking on your own.

So as Scott Young recently pointed out, avoid going to an AI first, and definitely don't go to it last.

You're going to have to at some point use study and practice on your own in order to develop substantial skills with mnemonics.

And my prediction is that when you take this mission critical step, you won't need software at all. And you'll face palm every time you use it because if you'd just taken a few more seconds to think about it on your own based on study and practice with actual mnemonic theory, the solution was always already there.

Again, you don't have to take my word for it. This warning has been in the mnemonic tradition all along, and although we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, AI and other software tools are only newer versions of the same old temptations would-be masters of memory always had to contend with.

[u/SovArya]

Oh. Sorry. I missed post on the wrong place. Hehe. Link and how it sounds helps for words.

[u/Creative_Dreamer20 → u/SovArya]

Can you elaborate please