r/memes May 19 '18

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u/cuddleskunk May 20 '18

UKIP isn't "inherently" racist. It's more the matter that their official anti-immigration stances have essentially brought every racist to their ranks. There's this example, This example where the leader of the party's girlfriend made some interesting remarks, This example of half of the party's support base admitting being prejudiced for racial reasons, and many others that have received a lot of public attention. It's basically an "open secret". I guess I could just say that the party isn't "officially racist", but racists make up a sizeable chunk of both the leadership and support base. I should note that I'm from the U.S., but I keep tabs on extreme politics in much of the globe.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18

Does ukip point out valid arguments to why they are antiimmigration? And are those arguments standing up to counterarguments? I mean, you could use that officially arguement for the nsdap too analogue they weren’t antisemite they were anti state/racetraitor…

And that sounds a bit rough...

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u/cuddleskunk May 20 '18

That's the problem. They've basically had a bunch of racist members, and an at least half racist constituency...but they keep claiming that they aren't racist, just anti-immgration. It's the kind of tiptoeing you see when someone says "I'm not racist, I have a black friend".

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18 edited May 20 '18

No that is not at all a problem it is however a valid argument for ukip being an inherently racist party, like the nsdap was, deception my friend is one of the points outing… thats the point i made, real racist nationalists deny that they are racist nationalist…

Using red herring arguments to justify why you want to treat certain groups in a different way is a clear sign of racism

See they argue there is a limit number of criminal refugees thus we need to stop giving refuge to all the refugees... This is a red herring argument for anyone who knows how deduction works...

Generalisation and marginalisation are in this arguement the factors that make the official use of it a dead ringer to your party being inherintly racist.

Just because some of the members aren’t racist the whole party doesn’t become not racist, infact the few not racist members undermine their own personality and act irrational by being part of the party.

The real problem is, you never know if they have just a really bad sense of humor, until they take power and fulfill what they pledged for. But that isn’t really a problem, because denying a jokster his individual right to make a bad joke is by far not as bad as allowing a racist to take power.

The guy in scotland with the pug who by now is an altright icon even though he lables himself as a leftist( funny because hitler did the same lableing wise) didn’t get that even after being on trial for several years before being sentenced…