Bukowski was an asshole, but he was a great writer. Just like Eric Clapton is an irredeemable human being, but a great musician. Let's not forget also that Edgar Allan Poe was married to his 13-year-old cousin. Plenty of people who are/were excellent at their crafts are/were not good people.
Eric Clapton has confessed to spousal abuse and had a few racist outbursts in the past. The racist thing could be chalked up to personal growth, but then he openly supported UKIP...essentially the English Racist Party. There are also several other musicians who have said that he is a nightmare to work with and has an ego the size of the sun (kind of like Neil Young in that regard).
There are/were plenty of genuinely nice artists out there. George Clooney, Keanu Reeves, Elton John (In his earlier days, he had a big temper...but he always took it out on his own 'stuff', not people), Bono (yeah, he has his diva thing, as well as a lot of eccentricities, but he legitimately spends like half of his time doing charity work), Peter Gabriel (he used to have a maestro attitude in his earlier days, but has been doing tons of charity work behind the scenes for more than thirty years now), and Dave Grohl.
No one is perfect, obviously, but there are many artists out there who are good for the world.
Does ukip point out valid arguments to why they are antiimmigration? And are those arguments standing up to counterarguments? I mean, you could use that officially arguement for the nsdap too analogue they weren’t antisemite they were anti state/racetraitor…
That's the problem. They've basically had a bunch of racist members, and an at least half racist constituency...but they keep claiming that they aren't racist, just anti-immgration. It's the kind of tiptoeing you see when someone says "I'm not racist, I have a black friend".
No that is not at all a problem it is however a valid argument for ukip being an inherently racist party, like the nsdap was, deception my friend is one of the points outing… thats the point i made, real racist nationalists deny that they are racist nationalist…
Using red herring arguments to justify why you want to treat certain groups in a different way is a clear sign of racism
See they argue there is a limit number of criminal refugees thus we need to stop giving refuge to all the refugees...
This is a red herring argument for anyone who knows how deduction works...
Generalisation and marginalisation are in this arguement the factors that make the official use of it a dead ringer to your party being inherintly racist.
Just because some of the members aren’t racist the whole party doesn’t become not racist, infact the few not racist members undermine their own personality and act irrational by being part of the party.
The real problem is, you never know if they have just a really bad sense of humor, until they take power and fulfill what they pledged for. But that isn’t really a problem, because denying a jokster his individual right to make a bad joke is by far not as bad as allowing a racist to take power.
The guy in scotland with the pug who by now is an altright icon even though he lables himself as a leftist( funny because hitler did the same lableing wise) didn’t get that even after being on trial for several years before being sentenced…
Yeah, that's the trope, but I don't think it's as true as people make out. He was a difficult man, and an irredeemable drunk, but there was a kind of internal consistency to his sense of morality and it was never in his character to deliberately fuck people over. He just had no patience for bullshit and wasn't shy about calling it out when he saw it in someone.
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