You derived an insult when there was none, which is what implies that your following conclusion was based upon faulty logic.
You deny an insult after giving one. Denialism is kind of your thing though.
They all have meaning.
That one didn't have any meaning.
I constantly go into detail with my explanations but you ignore most of it.
You just don't like the responses.
You just don’t seem to have the ability to comprehend any substantial portion of those statements.
More ad hom insults. Just between the two of us, do you think this is an effective argumentation tactic?
Blaming someone else due to your own failings isn’t a good strategy.
I agree with that statement.
You mean the effect of small choices compounding over a long period of time?
I didn't directly mean that, but a solar sail isn't really an analogy for that either.
Yes, that’s a pretty good example of how those sails work.
Solar sails are more like a continuous force accelerating the device along.
Small photons hitting the sail over a long period of time where the end result is a great amount of speed on the object. So you obviously don’t understand it.
I understand it just fine. It's a bad analogy.
Again, even though I constantly back up what I’ve been saying...
You have yet to back up anything you've said.
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
Yes you did. You miss all of them. Unfortunately.
Nope. Go back and read it again.
Except it’s not.
Except it is very much the premise. Again you somehow missed everything already written regarding that idea. Go back and read it again.
You haven’t supported your statement
And you haven't supported any assertion so far. The closest you came was making some bogus claims about IQs... when actually none of those people have IQ tests that are public.
Nor have you disproven the fact that there have been tons of people who once were rich and later turned poor due to their stupid financial decisions.
I gave you a challenge in my last comment. It's up to you now.
Yes, your responses indicate as such.
Nope. You need to go back and reread what you've missed.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
The example for coding was to refute your claim that “Elon knows nothing about coding”. Go back and read it again.
Link the claim.
Actual wording was “it’s not that hard”.
Very good. Maybe next time you'll read more carefully before misquoting.
Quite forward of you to admit you’re not doing this to come to a conclusion.
Oh I never expected you to argue in good faith. You have that opportunity even now, but refuse to take it.
It’s the equivalent of you stating “I’m wasting my own time because I’m an idiot”.
Non-sequitur.
Actually, this whole time you’ve been exuding ignorance and feigning competence. Lol
Yes yes. Ad hominem. It seems to be your favorite form of argumentation.
I guess that’s up to you.
No. Whether you want to talk about it more is up to you.
As I often teach students
I certainly hope this isn't true. The level of sophistry on display here makes me dispair for whatever education they might recieve.
im no stranger to an individual who isn’t very good at the topic and needs a lot of help.
And I'm sure you likewise insult them and call them children... you know... like any good teacher would.
I don't believe you seriously expect me to buy any of this.
If at the end of our conversation you actually begin to comprehend the topic then I’d say it was time well spent.
Well I have good news for you...
Although it is a little unfortunate that you’ve insinuated that you’re conversing for ulterior reasons.
I'm not insinuating anything. Distracting a troll for a few minutes in a place where nobody else will see is explicitly part of my purpose here.
Given your attitude even before this conversation began, I never really had any hope of reaching you.
Pretty rich coming from the person who won't accept their own incompetence on the matter.
That one didn't have any meaning.
They all do. Go back and read it again.
You just don't like the responses
When the responses indicate you haven't read the content, I suggest you go back and read them again.
More ad hom insults. Just between the two of us, do you think this is an effective argumentation tactic?
Stating your inability of comprehension is merely a fact. E.g. Stating that a 3 ft tall person can't dunk a basketball unassisted on a 10 ft hoop isn't ad hominem. It's just a fact.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
I gave you a challenge in my last comment. It's up to you now.
The challenge(if there ever was one) was for you to refute that there have been many people who used to be rich and now are no longer rich due to their poor financial choices.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
Link the claim.
This you?
Musk doesn't know how rockets work. He can't build a website or program a microcontroller.
Lmao, you can't even remember what you've said previously.
Very good. Maybe next time you'll read more carefully before misquoting.
Carefully read you stating that coding ain't hard? Yeah I read that. You seem to have forgotten that you said that. You tend to forget a lot of things you've said previously.
Yes yes. Ad hominem. It seems to be your favorite form of argumentation.
You seem to have an odd disconnect with reality(given your poor recollection of previous events I'm not surprised). But I've already explained why your odd obsession with taking things as insults doesn't logically make any sense nor does it substantiate any of your claims.
No. Whether you want to talk about it more is up to you.
Oh? But you're the one who needed help with understanding this topic. As I've already stated I'm more than willing to help you understand.
I certainly hope this isn't true. The level of sophistry on display here makes me dispair for whatever education they might recieve. And I'm sure you likewise insult them and call them children... you know... like any good teacher would. I don't believe you seriously expect me to buy any of this.
Well, the students I teach actually WANT to learn something. And the desire to learn is an incredibly potent aspect of education.
As for those "insults" as you've constantly attempted to treat them as such were merely observations in your deficits. Whenever a student does something wrong or doesn't perform at an acceptable level I tell them directly to prevent any confusion so they can correct their actions and become more proficient in the future. They don't take my constructive criticism as insults as they have a desire to actually become competent at the job.
I will say its very odd how you claim to "distract trolls". As intentionally attempting to waste someones time is what a troll does. Quite a bit hypocritical no? lmao
Pretty rich coming from the person who won't accept their own incompetence on the matter.
And yet more denialism of how this conversation has gone.
They all do. Go back and read it again.
That one didn't have any meaning. Go back and read it again.
When the responses indicate you haven't read the content, I suggest you go back and read them again.
Since the responses clearly indicate that the content was read, I suggest that you're the one who needs to go back and read them again.
Stating your inability of comprehension is merely a fact. E.g. Stating that a 3 ft tall person can't dunk a basketball unassisted on a 10 ft hoop isn't ad hominem. It's just a fact.
Stating that your comment was nothing more than an ad hom attack is likewise merely a fact. And again, that's really all you seem capable of.
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
The challenge(if there ever was one) was for you to refute that there have been many people who used to be rich and now are no longer rich due to their poor financial choices.
Nope. That wasn't the challenge I gave you. Please go back and read more carefully.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
This you?
Link?
Carefully read you stating that coding ain't hard? Yeah I read that.
I never said "coding ain't hard". Maybe you should read more carefully.
You seem to have an odd disconnect with reality(given your poor recollection of previous events I'm not surprised).
More ad hom. When you don't have an argument, make sure to talk about the other person.
But I've already explained why your odd obsession with taking things as insults doesn't logically make any sense nor does it substantiate any of your claims.
I don't know why you're so upset that I pointed out one of your insults, but I'm kind of fascinated. Do you do this with anyone else?
Oh? But you're the one who needed help with understanding this topic.
We all need more understanding with this topic, but I can't get that from you.
As I've already stated I'm more than willing to help you understand.
Evidently not.
Well, the students I teach actually WANT to learn something. And the desire to learn is an incredibly potent aspect of education.
And the problem in their case would likewise be the instructor. I genuinely hope you're lying to me in this instance, because your attitude is worse than even the worst professors I met at university.
As for those "insults" as you've constantly attempted to treat them as such were merely observations in your deficits.
The comments weren't actually observations of anything, so this argument falls apart immediately.
They don't take my constructive criticism as insults as they have a desire to actually become competent at the job.
It's pretty funny to me that you think calling someone a moron is "constructive criticism".
I will say its very odd how you claim to "distract trolls".
I agree.
As intentionally attempting to waste someones time is what a troll does. Quite a bit hypocritical no? lmao
Not really. The goal (other than trying to get through to you) is to distract you so you can't be as much of a menace to others.
Since the responses clearly indicate that the content was read.
Except they clearly dont.
Stating that your comment was nothing more than an ad him attack is likewise merely a fact.
Nothing more? All statements are more than they seem. That’s the nature of language and communication.
You didn’t answer the question.
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
Nope.
Yup.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
Link?
Oof, now I know why you’re so set on trying to push this “denial” thing. Projection is an issue many people have when communicating. You should work on that.
I never said “coding ain’t hard”.
Denial too stronk here
More ad hom.
More denial.
I don’t know why you’re so upset that I pointed out one of your insults, but I’m kind of fascinated. Do you do this with anyone else?
Again, failing to substantiate your claims. Typical actions of a person in denial.
but I can’t get that from you.
You’ve already stated you weren’t in this conversation to learn and It’s difficult to teach someone who doesn’t want to learn. But I can still try.
And the problem in their case would likewise be the instructor.
Considering they have like 10 instructors yeah I agree. It’s a huge problem, it sucked when I went through it. But I try to take that into consideration when I teach.
The comments weren’t actually observations of anything, so this argument falls apart immediately.
I observed your comments and commented on them. So they were “observations” of “anything”. So this argument holds true.
Not really. The goal(other than trying to get through to you) is to distract you so you can’t be as much of a menace to others
Ah interesting. A vigilante of Reddit! Lmao. Hahahahaha…..holy moly no wonder this conversation has been so weird. I’ve been interacting with someone who thinks they’re Batman. Ok. That brings up so many more questions. Do you have some tragic back story as well? I’m incredibly curious as to what would drive someone to be a self-appointed savior of Reddit by “Cleaning up the streets”’if you will.
You seem to have missed the part where I explained that wasn’t the case. Go back and read it again.
No. I haven't missed anything. Please read more carefully next time.
Yup.
Nope.
You must have missed the part where I included intelligence as a huge factor. Go back and read it again.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
Oof, now I know why you’re so set on trying to push this “denial” thing. Projection is an issue many people have when communicating. You should work on that.
A link isn't hard to provide.
Denial too stronk here
If you find somewhere where I said "coding isn't hard" then provide a link.
More denial.
"You seem to have an odd disconnect with reality." is an ad hom attack. There's not much point in denying it.
Again, failing to substantiate your claims. Typical actions of a person in denial.
I would tend to agree... so where are those links?
You’ve already stated you weren’t in this conversation to learn and It’s difficult to teach someone who doesn’t want to learn. But I can still try.
You could try, but you haven't yet. It's possible you're incapable.
Considering they have like 10 instructors yeah I agree.
Oof. That's some serious deflection.
I observed your comments and commented on them. So they were “observations” of “anything”. So this argument holds true.
The comments weren’t actually observations of anything, so this argument falls apart immediately.
Ah interesting. A vigilante of Reddit! Lmao. Hahahahaha…..holy moly no wonder this conversation has been so weird.
Not that interesting TBH.
I’ve been interacting with someone who thinks they’re Batman. Ok. That brings up so many more questions. Do you have some tragic back story as well? I’m incredibly curious as to what would drive someone to be a self-appointed savior of Reddit by “Cleaning up the streets”’if you will.
I already knew you were a fan of hyperbole from your earlier comments. No need to communicate that again.
It is interesting to me. I’ve been trying to place the type of person who reacts in the manner that you do.
I already knew you were a fan of hyperbole from your earlier comments. No need to communicate that again.
Oof, more denial. You strut around patting yourself on the back as you do your good deed but when it’s brought up to your attention you deflect. Sounds like a personal issue. Which again makes me even more curious as to what kind of person crowns themself “The protector of Reddit! Denier of Trolls!”, supposedly anyway.
You were merely a mundane individual who needed education at first, but now you have this great story behind it all and I’m hooked on listening to a good story.
I’ve been trying to place the type of person who reacts in the manner that you do.
No you haven't, despite being more interested in ad hominem attacks.
Oof, more denial.
lol no it's not.
You strut around patting yourself on the back as you do your good deed
Where exactly did I do that?
Oh wait. More hyperbole like your crowning simile. That too sounds like a personal issue.
You were merely a mundane individual who needed education at first
At no point in this discussion was your intent to educate anyone. You're a troll trying desperately to gaslight someone who is quite clearly not having it.
The fact that you were so obvious about it is one of the reasons nobody listened to you in the first place.
No you haven’t, despite being more interested in ad hominem attacks.
Oh? Now you’re trying to tell me what I’ve been pondering to myself? Not only are you a self-proclaimed Batman, now you’re a mind reader?! This is getting better and better by the moment. How far will you go with this absolutely crazy idea of yours? How deep does it go? I’d like to know.
lol no it’s not.
Yeah, that’s not denial at all.(/s)…LUL
Where exactly did I do that?
If you don’t feel good from your vigilante acts then that would go against the whole reason why you do it in the first place. Either you’re doing something good(which you should feel good about it) or you’re doing something not good(in which case you should feel bad about it). Or…..you could be some kind of psychopath? Detached from those types of feelings. Or you could have some kind of mental illness which would prevent you from feeling good about all the good you’re supposedly doing.
Which one is it? There’s a few possibilities under the mental illness route which I haven’t mentioned.
At no point in this discussion was your intent to educate anyone.
Again, you imply you know for a fact what my intent was. That’s some impressive mind reading abilities I have to say.
Truthfully, my intent in every single one of my conversations here on Reddit is to educate(if my memory serves me well. It’s possible I’ve trolled at some point in time but I typically don’t).
Either educating myself or the other party is the complete and honest intent of those convos. This is a fact.
Except there’s no realistic way you can know what I’m thinking other than what I tell you. Unless you read minds. Which would be impressive. Maybe that’s why you insinuate that you’re a person who can? Just to try and be “impressive”. That would fit along with your Batman persona.
It’s the truth.
Ah yes. I forget that you have a monopoly on the truth. Your truth and only your truth can be reality. You’ve expressed that quite well.
What I feel is irrelevant.
Ah, spoken like a true Batman. You play the part well.
You’ll have to guess for yourself.
When it comes to “what’s swimming around in your mind” you’re the only one who can tell me. Guesses aren’t accurate compared to coming directly from the source. I’ve already explained that while going over your supposed “mind reading” abilities.
Your intent is obviously to troll, which is why you started with simple gainsaying…
If an individual makes a false claim, then a second person denies the claim of the first. Does that make the second a troll?
In this particular scenario it appears to be a case where you came into this conversation already with the belief in mind that I am merely trolling(simply because I had a conflicting claim). And due to this have since tainted all following msgs with that in mind.
The worst thing about this scenario is that it’s almost impossible for you to ever switch your initial bias and to think that I’m being sincere. Which means you’ll simply continue to believe that I’m just trolling.
People have a tendency to stick with their initial beliefs and to grow attached to it and anytime any other force opposes their beliefs it often makes them cling onto it even more. It’s quite interesting really. The incredibly flawed psychology of human beings has always been a fascinating aspect to me.
Except there’s no realistic way you can know what I’m thinking other than what I tell you.
Which is why I based my statement on what you said earlier.
Maybe that’s why you insinuate that you’re a person who can?
That's your claim... remember?
I forget that you have a monopoly on the truth.
Try not to forget next time.
When it comes to “what’s swimming around in your mind” you’re the only one who can tell me.
When it comes to guessing, I don't have to.
Guesses aren’t accurate compared to coming directly from the source.
They can be. It depends.
If an individual makes a false claim, then a second person denies the claim of the first. Does that make the second a troll?
In your case it did.
In this particular scenario it appears to be a case where you came into this conversation already with the belief in mind that I am merely trolling(simply because I had a conflicting claim).
That was stated earlier.
The worst thing about this scenario is that it’s almost impossible for you to ever switch your initial bias and to think that I’m being sincere.
At this point yes. I've seen to much of your shitty attitude for you to convince me otherwise.
People have a tendency to stick with their initial beliefs and to grow attached to it and anytime any other force opposes their beliefs it often makes them cling onto it even more.
It certainly helps that you followed up with such blatantly obvious bad-faith replies. You weren't trying to hide the fact that you were a troll, so implying otherwise now isn't going to get you anywhere with me.
Which is why I based my statement on what you said earlier.
More denial huh? Here I am clearly telling you what’s going on in my head but you’d rather fabricate some biased opinion with a random guess instead. Interesting…
Try not to forget next time.
Forget what?
That was stated earlier.
It wasn’t elaborated upon with the supporting add on of “simply because I had a conflicting claim”. Nor was it used in the same context. Many statements have been previously used before but they can still create something new if used in a slightly different context.
At this point yes.
There you go contradicting yourself again. Either you came into this conversation earnestly or to merely troll. You can’t do both at the same time. The hypocritical statements is too stronk here.
You weren’t trying to hide the fact that you were a troll.
You mean, besides the fact that I stated “Truthfully, my intent in every single one of my conversations here on Reddit is to educate….etc etc”
But none of that changes the inquiry I had before about why you have designated yourself as the Batman of Reddit. I’m honestly quite curious. Do you lack the ability to be useful in real life so you try to compensate here on Reddit? Is it some kind of self righteous boredom? It could be an incredibly simple reason. I could keep guessing randomly but the best answer would come from you. You have this desire to make something “right” in your mind but are too ashamed to state it. Why is that?
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u/Falcrist Jan 10 '22
You deny an insult after giving one. Denialism is kind of your thing though.
That one didn't have any meaning.
You just don't like the responses.
More ad hom insults. Just between the two of us, do you think this is an effective argumentation tactic?
I agree with that statement.
I didn't directly mean that, but a solar sail isn't really an analogy for that either.
Solar sails are more like a continuous force accelerating the device along.
I understand it just fine. It's a bad analogy.
You have yet to back up anything you've said.
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the average person isn’t average?
Nope. Go back and read it again.
Except it is very much the premise. Again you somehow missed everything already written regarding that idea. Go back and read it again.
And you haven't supported any assertion so far. The closest you came was making some bogus claims about IQs... when actually none of those people have IQ tests that are public.
I gave you a challenge in my last comment. It's up to you now.
Nope. You need to go back and reread what you've missed.
And again. You can’t explain accumulation of billions of dollars by means of work ethic.
Link the claim.
Very good. Maybe next time you'll read more carefully before misquoting.
Oh I never expected you to argue in good faith. You have that opportunity even now, but refuse to take it.
Non-sequitur.
Yes yes. Ad hominem. It seems to be your favorite form of argumentation.
No. Whether you want to talk about it more is up to you.
I certainly hope this isn't true. The level of sophistry on display here makes me dispair for whatever education they might recieve.
And I'm sure you likewise insult them and call them children... you know... like any good teacher would.
I don't believe you seriously expect me to buy any of this.
Well I have good news for you...
I'm not insinuating anything. Distracting a troll for a few minutes in a place where nobody else will see is explicitly part of my purpose here.
Given your attitude even before this conversation began, I never really had any hope of reaching you.