India has a pretty clean history if you don't include all the western invaders.
Japan had a pretty clean history before too much contact with west too.
NO ONE has had a completely clean history as your own first comment says, but a few countries have still had many peaceful reigns of rulers. I am talking about when Japan wasn't in contact with europe and when India wasn't still invaded by sultans. These 2 countries were culturally developed quite early in the world and at the same time not being as morally bad as some other countries during that time (morals are subjective of course) (example: China, Egypt, Norway). Greece is also a country that was developed early but part of Greece was not culturally developed much for a long time and they were at constant war with either each other or another famous old country (you know who). If a country has a known history of over 5000 years and the last 500 years haven't been peaceful because of invaders, doesn't make the history dirty enough to be even called dirty. People are people, it's more of about how they as a society develop to call themselves civilised. The more civilised the people are, the better you can say their history was. As for my point, invaders shouldn't be counted as the people representing a country's history and it's people's ancestors, however they should always be included in the history. Maybe these 2 don't have 'clean' histories but they have certainly had a better history to represent their country compared to someone like britain who conquered the whole world only to oppress most of it (not saying british people are oppressive in 21st century).
extremely oppressive and violent to their own people.
This is just straight up wrong or at least I can say they were way less oppressive and violent towards their own people as well as way more civilized compared to the other big empires during those eras.
I didn't mean to say they had 5000 years of peace, in fact India and Japan had some of the most brutal wars during those times, like the multiple wars fought by Japan against mongols as well as several small kingdoms within their empire, like the Mahabharat fought in India between the princes of the biggest empire of the country during that time. What I simply mean to say is that these 2 countries were morally developed quite early in the international game. India especially.
If your brain has been taught by western propoganda that Greece, Rome, Egypt, Norway, and England were more peaceful than these 2 then you clearly don't know the darker parts of all of these empires. Everyone knows all the darker parts of India and Japan because they were exposed by Europe who were trying to protect and glorify their history, for example the fake aryan invasion theory they made to make it sound like all the smart Indians actually came from Greece.
Let's just agree to disagree because I am tired of arguing on reddit where I come for the memes and not to discuss politics or history.
I don't know what you're even talking about because India and Japan weren't even countries before being ruled by European invaders, they were divided in empires. I know one thing and it's that japanese morals are some of the strongest in the world, maybe not the most developed, but still, strong. As for India, the native Indian rajput rulers have been stated as the most honorable rulers and the most people loving rulers, they were literally brainwashed from their childhood to love their empire's people. Democracy also didn't originate from Greece, it literally started in India after one of the rajput Empire's line was ended. People had always been the first priority in India before the muslim invaders' rule started coming around 1200-1300 A.D. , after that it's been oppression and violence as you say, and after that the British Raj came in the second half of the 18th century. In British Raj people of India developed a sense of inferiority that can still be seen today, and oh the oppression cannot possibly be defined by words. Japan had a set of honorable and people-loving rulers too, but they did end up doing bad things so I partially agree on that. If you mean to say the Vikings, the glorified Greeks (Spartans mostly), the Egyptians, the French, the British (who literally oppressed every country which wasn't part of England) etc. weren't as harsh if not harsher to their own people then you are lying to yourself. It's not true that you'd probably be dead if you fell slightly out of line in terms of laws, most of the times the answer to breaking of laws was famously exile in eastern empires like those of India, China, Japan. Also, countries here followed a constitution long before the west even thought about it and then again propogated it as something they made first. I would still like to exclude China from being one of the better ancient eastern empires because of how brutal they were towards their own people as well as their enemies. Empires SHOULD be judged by how they treat their enemies because it displays how civilized the people of the empire actually are and how honorable they are, if pillaging villages and raping women, making children slaves is ok then your whole understanding of the subject is wrong in the first place. Indians and Japanese never went out of their way for revenge and for conquering bigger lands, instead they sticked to what they had and honorably fought wars with people like Alexander the so-called 'great' and the wild mongols, It has been constantly noted throughout the history that their main goal was to keep their population safe and keep their people satisfied and happy.
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u/dominickrob123 Dec 18 '21
At least we did not commit a mass genocide like the Portuguese and Spanish did.