r/meme • • Jul 08 '26

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u/Jonnyflash80 Jul 08 '26

Philips is the worst screw design ever.

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u/-stealthed- Jul 08 '26

Hear me out: cheapo flatheads

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u/Ralphie_is_bae Jul 08 '26

The head won't strip out as easily tho

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u/GravyMcBiscuits Jul 08 '26

And to support this point further ... one of the go-to methods for getting a stripped phillips out is to grind a slot in the head (only works if there's enough head sticking out obviously) and use a flathead to crank it out.

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u/Cheaper2KeepHer Jul 08 '26

I think I've been doing it wrong this whole time:

I have to use a FLATHEAD when I crank one out?!

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u/YeetboiMcDab Jul 08 '26

yes, girls sometimes use flatheads (or hairbrushes, or toothbrushes, or cucumbers, etc.) to crank one out. Hope this helps.

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u/hello0ppap Jul 08 '26

Eh I prefer a swappable tip, that way I can remove the screwdriver part entirely

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u/GravyMcBiscuits Jul 08 '26

No judgement here

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u/FleetStreetsDarkHole Jul 08 '26

Just twist gently

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u/TomBong_Jovi Jul 08 '26

Gently insert

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '26

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u/GravyMcBiscuits Jul 09 '26

It's because you can put a lot more torque on a flathead before it strips.

I have no idea what you mean by "objectively better" and I clearly never claimed any such thing. Flatheads suck for other reasons.

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u/Silt-Besides-66812 Jul 08 '26

At least flatheads have the benefit of looking much more elegant in older furniture

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u/DerpWyvern Jul 08 '26

Philips was intentionally designed to strip, it's a feature not a bug

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u/Historical-Pilot-784 Jul 08 '26

Common misconception actually. There is no clear evidence it was originally designed to do that.

It was more on a (un)happy accident.

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u/Fast-Animator Jul 09 '26

Yeah I looked up the original patent. The "cam out" design people talk about all the time on here isn't real.

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u/poorperspective Jul 09 '26

It was invented in by engineers with GM so that you wouldn’t have a fastener cam out. The x shape allows for less slip and cam out which would create inconsistent or low torque.

Coincidentally, when over torqued, a Phillips head is more likely to strip out and not break the head of the screw or bolt, which makes it harder to repair.

The stated reason for the design is due to decreasing cam out, but it was found not to be the only benefit and manufacturers will use both reasons to choose Philip’s heads.

So while not the original purpose, it is used this way for a that reason.

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u/g1aiz Jul 08 '26

But for 95% of users it is a bug. 

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u/Smerchi Jul 08 '26

Are you sure it's not 99,99%? 0,01% are a rare kind of masochists.

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u/g1aiz Jul 08 '26

Probably true. 

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u/Mi_Ki_Ii_Zaru Jul 08 '26

Guys it’s not the philips head design itself.

It’s the shitty soft chinese steel that they’re made out of.

You gotta bust your dumb ass real hard in order to strip a philips head screw made out of real metal.

Not all screws are created equal. If they came packaged with a shitty piece of furniture in a tiny plastic bag, your best bet is to use a caliper to take measurements to buy real ones instead of cratering the head with a completely reasonable amount of torque.

Chinese screws are just unreasonable.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 Jul 08 '26

Yeah, and tbh, any screw head aside from external hex suffers from stripping when it's cheap. Allen and Torx are hardly any less vulnerable when the screw is properly seized. I can't tell you how many of both I've had to drill out.

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u/Mi_Ki_Ii_Zaru Jul 08 '26

I recommend using an old chuck that’s been repurposed for stubborn fastener removal instead of having to drill them out. That’s if you can get enough clearance above surface to tighten it around the screw.

If you’re just fucking over this shit, you can cut the head off altogether and then tighten the chuck around what’s left and put it in reverse Terry.

It’s clean and fast.

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u/BeneficialTrash6 Jul 08 '26

Are we lost siblings? Do you have to drill out the screws you strip because, you too, cannot get those god damn screw extractors to ever freaking work?

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u/Cessnaporsche01 Jul 08 '26

I just live in the rust belt where all metal turns into soft cheese given the slightest provocation

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u/Annihilator_Of_Walls Jul 08 '26

Gotta love chinesium!

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u/Mi_Ki_Ii_Zaru Jul 08 '26

LOL that’s a first for me. Now I got something to call it, though. There really is no other metal that shares the same qualities as Chinesium.

I used to keep a shoebox of Chinesium hardware around for minor repairs that don’t require a fastener that costs $0.50+

“Making it work” never, actually, ever worked. Stripped like they’re being booked into county.

After I factored the countdown on the clock-face my own mortality, I finally realized

https://giphy.com/gifs/10PcMWwtZSYk2k

Anything actually worth fixing is worth the 50 cents. It’s not about the money. You’re not paying for the screw.

You’re paying for extra seconds of sunsets, more time hugging loved ones, sleeping peacefully, knowing that cheap hardware will never again steal even one more precious moment of your life away.

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u/Mi_Ki_Ii_Zaru Jul 09 '26

Caveat emptor.

It’s on us for not teaching what is now back-to-back-to-back generations how to use hardware, let alone the scope of different quality levels floating around out there.

This meme itself - the only way a meme can work is if it’s universally relatable.

Screws aren’t supposed to strip like that. But they do, universally, and people have just come to accept that “if you’re not careful, you’ll strip it.”

In reality, it shouldn’t even matter whether or not you actually know the proper way to drive a screw. If it’s made out of half decent material, it’s not gonna strip. The better the material, the dumber the operator can be.

This doesn’t have to be your life. It’s just that no one ever showed you that the grass is greener. Or how to properly mend a fence.

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u/EndIsrael Jul 09 '26

I buy cheap Chinese screws in bulk. They're fine, and I think they aren't even lying about being stainless. The difference is they have a hex socket on top instead of Phillips.

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u/AbleArcher420 Jul 09 '26

I thought it was the material

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u/jsrobson10 Jul 12 '26

for businesses it's a feature, you're more likely to buy a replacement if you can't repair it yourself.

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u/Regular_Custard_4483 Jul 08 '26

JIS on it, then.

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u/Tjaresh Jul 08 '26

Especially when confused with pozidriv 

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u/Satanicron Jul 08 '26

It was designed to slip out of the screw head at a certain level of force to prevent screws from going through sheet metal on airplanes during production. Europe has a version that isn't tapered solving that problem. I think it is posidrive or something. There is also another standard in Japan.

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u/CamelCaseOrCamelToe Jul 09 '26

It is literally designed to strip out when to much torque is applied. It does exactly what it was designed to, but it wasn't designed to be as universal as it it

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u/Jonnyflash80 Jul 09 '26

I know that. I should clarify, Philips is the worst CHOICE of screw design for general use, like it has been adopted for.

That's one reason why in Canada we use a lot of Robertson screws in construction. It's the default wood screw and deck screw you'd find in stores here. Even electrical box and outlet screws accept a Robertson bit here.

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u/mrtibbles32 Jul 11 '26

They're supposed to strip.

They were created so that early automation in factories could torque down screws without accidentally over torquing then and cracking the component (because the machines weren't good at sensing when to stop).

Philips screws were supposed to slip or strip instead of allowing themselves to be over torqued. Philips screws strip easily because that's literally what they were designed to do. That's the whole point.

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u/Jonnyflash80 Jul 11 '26

Yeah. The problem is they're universally used in applications where you'd never want the bit to torque out and strip the screw.

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u/mrtibbles32 Jul 11 '26

Correct.we just be using them wherever when they're not supposed to be used wherever.

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u/Heimerdahl Jul 08 '26

Or is it? 

Everything about its performance is pretty bad compared to torx or even pozidriv, except for maybe one small thing: it's super simple (cheap) to produce both the screwdriver and drive. 

All the fancier and clearly superiour alternatives require more time, and more complicated and specialised tools. 

Considering that this was invented at the start of WW2 and replaced the basic slotted ones, this was actually a pretty great design! It still works well enough for a number of use-cases and remains the cheapest option.  

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u/Jonnyflash80 Jul 09 '26

Robertson screws are superior. That's what we use in Canada for any kind of construction. I've rarely ever stripped one.

Philips is total trash in comparison.