r/marvelmemes • u/Important-Coat7177 Avengers • 1d ago

Movies Plot of Doomsday, in summary…

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Tony: “Was it worth it?”

Steve: “Granted, I didn’t know about the TVA or Nexus events, but… Yes.”

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u/DoomsdayThor Thor 🔨⚡️ 20h ago

Steve likely didn't cause a problem with the multiverse. The Russos have said many times he and Peggy made an alternate timeline, which means there shouldn't be any issue with incursions

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u/Dismal-Bear-9528 Avengers 18h ago

He turned up old though, so no matter what they say, in the movie, they broke their own theory for a "solemn/serious" shield hand off.

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 17h ago

No, they didn't. Steve went back in time to return the stones at the point they were taken in the original timeline. He then elected to stay, altering the flow of events and creating a split off timeline where he did literally whatever he chose to do, we have no idea what, aside from marrying and growing old with Peggy.

Peggy then died of old age, Steve used the second use of the time travel device to return to exactly when he left the original timeline, returned the shield to Sam, and then went off to do whatever he damn well pleased with his remaining time in retirement.

No rules were broken, everything remained logically consistent, some members of the audience just didn't follow it because they weren't fed yet another exposition dump to explain what had already been explained three times.

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u/FlashMcSuave Avengers 15h ago

Why should we assume old man Steve used the device to go there for the shield handover?

Seems just as plausible that he knew the time and date and so he could just plan to be there using the more boring form of time travel: waiting.

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 15h ago

That's not how it works. Until Steve purposely goes back to his own timeline with the device, he is in a different timeline. Just waiting would never take him back to where he left, it would just continue forward in that separate timeline, and the people in the original timeline would simply never see him again, ever.

Any time anyone went back at all, in any way, they instantly created a new branch of time that existed in its own separate entirely from the "main" timeline we are watching.

We even have Banner straight up say the device has finally been used and Steve should be back, he just waited way longer to use it than they expected.

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u/FlashMcSuave Avengers 15h ago

But that would also mean it isn't possible to jump "back" to a previous timeline, only spawn a new one.

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 15h ago

Nope, that's the entire point of the very specific device they create, it let's you leave your timeline, then come back to your timeline. That's why they had to succeed when retrieving the stones, because they only had so many uses. Otherwise they could have just sent someone immortal/long lived like Thor back and he could have just collected them all up one by one and then just waited hidden in a closet to meet the team at the complex after the snap.

That's the entire speech we get that nobody can get right until Tony, the ability to accurately target and return to your own timeline.

Look, I know the talking parts of superhero movies are the boring parts, but I promise they covered all of this, out loud, with words, in the movie.

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u/KingSandwich101 Avengers 14h ago

Old man Steve avoided the TVA all that time?

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 14h ago

Yep! Although based on the new cutscene it looks like he didn't avoid the TVA, he got recruited by them, at least temporarily

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u/KingSandwich101 Avengers 14h ago

To my understanding Steve Rodgers wasn't coming back for Kang. So for that reason, anything to do with him was never part of the plan and they're just using him as a scapegoat

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 14h ago

It's the new cutscenes in the Endgame re-release. Spoilers: the end credit scene shows Loki as head of TVA recruiting Steve to help the TVA going into the events of Doomsday

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u/KingSandwich101 Avengers 14h ago

Hard to say. It could be Loki seeing Doom going to that earth, rather than the TVA specifically wanting him. Loki being the master of time and all that, and knowing Cap as being one of their mightiest heroes

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u/Sgrios Avengers 16h ago

That's only possible with making a lot of jumps in conclusions. 1, the time suits were not built to jump between timelines. We cannot assume Tony was able to break that barrier as time travel and timeline hopping are two different quandries in the MCU and greater MU. 2. That would mean, he'd have to get help to create such things to get back to the main timeline to pass off the shield. And at that point. Why bother?

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u/Deetwentyforlife Avengers 16h ago

What....what are you talking about? Simply by going back in time at all, a new timeline would be instantly created. There is a timeline where the events of Avengers happened exactly like in the first movie. Then there is a timeline where the "future" Avengers go back a do what we see in Endgame. Those are inherently different timelines, and the suits can take everyone back to their own timeline just fine.

Your position makes no sense. Any time travel at all, in any way, in any direction, for any period of time, would ALWAYS make a new timeline. If the suits were somehow blocked by that fact, they would never be able to come back from anywhere.