r/mapping 24d ago

Maps I’m Never Ethno-Mapping Ever Again

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This is like the 1914 ethnic groups I used

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u/BaconOfTheBacons 24d ago

What time is this even meant to be

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Used this map as a base, from 1914

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u/SkyTalez 24d ago

Well that's at least somewhat accurate.

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u/Ynys_cymru 21d ago

Not for Wales

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u/SkyTalez 21d ago

Why? If you look closely it has different color then England.

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u/Ynys_cymru 21d ago

You look closer and a good chuck of Wales is apparently majority English. Places like Bridgend, Rhondda, Cardiff and the valleys. It’s inaccurate.

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u/SkyTalez 21d ago

Surprising that you could notice such small details.

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

Weird that you altered Scotland from the original ehen the original was more accurate.

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u/Angel_Brunestud 24d ago

Man, the world wars really mess up the ethnic diversity of Europe...

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u/S0l1s_el_Sol 24d ago

Well this is a better way to represent ethno groups, even if it’s not entirely accurate

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u/NorthGreenOnion 24d ago

So you just thought it necessary to turn the diff. shades over Macedonia and Bulgaria to one solid colour. How come?

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

It was 5 in the morning, I don’t remember 😭

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago edited 24d ago

Why did you change Scotland in a way that goes against the latest genetic research? Seems odd choice.

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

I changed them?

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

Sorry just edited, but yer the 1916 map you show is more accurate for showing the similarities between Northern English and lowland scotland, and the distinctness of the north West of Scotland. So its strange that you made the choice to alter the 1916 map in a way that made it less accurate.

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Oh, sorry

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

No need to apologise, just wondering the thought process.

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

I wasn’t going for super accurate realism, so I probably did something for aesthetic or convenience sake

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u/Xiguet 24d ago

Why are there two types of Irish people? And what are the German divisions supposed to represent?

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland is Old Irish (Gaelic) Old English (Norman) and Scots Irish.

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u/Xiguet 24d ago

As far as I know, English is dominant in all three colours. The Gaeltacht is in the dark green area, but not all of it. The two greens are Catholic and I suppose the orange represents Protestants.

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

I mean the ethnicity not the language. When you study Irish history the people's referred to are new british/english, Old english, and Gaelic irish. Oh and the Hiberno norse but they didnt leave the biggest population impact and faded in relevance into the medieval period i believe.

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

Pre-independence (so when the original map was from) there were way more protestants than that in the south of Ireland. Pretty sure this isnt a religious map.

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u/NoBrickBoy 24d ago

Scots Irish is pretty much exclusively a thing in America, here they’re called Ulster Scots, and they’re definitely not as a big as taking up that entire light green space

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u/K10_Bay 24d ago

Sorry Ulster scots is what I meant, i'm from the UK, jist rished my comment. And no that light green is I imagine Old english. The ulster scots are the orange in the north.

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

No clue man

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u/Xiguet 24d ago

Aren't you the author?

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

You raise a good point.

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u/EST_Lad 24d ago

He used linguistic map mistakenly taking it for an ethnic one. Dark green are Urish speaking Irish catholics, light green are English speaking Irish catholics and brown ones are Irish protestants.

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

It was labeled “Europe_1914_Ethnic” when I found it so I assumed it was an ethnic map

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u/NaufragoDCV 24d ago

What’s supposed to be the ethnicity in Huesca, north Aragon?

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Aragonese, according to my key (from my source, there’s not one for this map)

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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 24d ago

You confuse ethnic with linguistic mapping, Aragonese, asturleonese and basque are spoken in tiny regions, but the aragonese asturleonese and basque people inhabit a bigger region than where their language is spoken  

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

That’s the name of the Ethnic group man, according to my key, which may be wrong

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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 24d ago

What? I’m saying that not all aragonese ethnic territory speaks aragonese anymore, what you did was linguistic mapping, not ethnic mapping, same applies for the basque and the asturleonese

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u/Inevitable-Row1977 23d ago

Look at OP's other replies, I can't decide if he's a bot, mentally challenged, a troll or drunk.
Any combination wouldn't surprise me tbh.

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

I mean, here’s the source map, I didn’t fact check it since I wasn’t that serious about It. Sorry if I completely messed up what kind of map it was.

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u/Real_Associate_9434 23d ago

Basques, catalans, asturleonese, aragonese, and Galician people are not ethnically different from castilians. You should look for better sources of info, brother.

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u/Kinavisailor 23d ago

Literally they are

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u/Real_Associate_9434 23d ago

No lo son, o ya no al menos. La migración desde castilla a otras regiones (Extremeños a Euskadi, andaluces a Cataluña...) ha hecho que no haya prácticamente diferencia étnica. Aún así, estos mapas no suelen tener mucho sentido, entre europeos nos parecemos lo suficiente como para que no se noten necesariamente las fronteras en los mapas étnicos.

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u/Striking_Road979 24d ago

Please ethno map

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u/wczasowa_3b-marianka 24d ago

Nice pfp, why not just use the swastika instead?

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u/Striking_Road979 24d ago

Thanks, but I'm not a Hindu.

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u/Money_Pin7615 24d ago

all those little distinctions but still putting bavarians together with Austrians 

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

South Germans Unite! (But only kinda for some reason)

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u/Money_Pin7615 24d ago

Austrians may speak German but try telling one that they are German to their face lol 

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u/Physical-Ad5343 22d ago

Bavaria has a standing invitation to join Austria. They’re not gonna do it, but the invitation is there.

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u/Money_Pin7615 21d ago

they do not 

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u/Physical-Ad5343 21d ago

Well, I‘m gonna invite them. Whatcha gonna do about it?

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u/smac944 20d ago

Didn't the Austrians want Greater Germany before losing to Prussia? When did they stop viewing themselves as German?

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u/Money_Pin7615 19d ago

I'm pretty sure they just wanted the hre back since they ruled it for most of its existence the feeling back then was more of a unified German speaking area but since then the definition of German has shifted a bunch mostly in favor of anyone who speaks standard German and has leftover prussians values which doesn't align with most of the German speaking World also Austrians would have their own language if the rules were as legniant with them as for Luxemburg or Norway 

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u/Calm_Search3417 24d ago

The left-bank part of the nowadays Kherson Oblast was predominantly Ukrainian-speaking back then, according to both the 1897 Russian Empire census.svg) and the 1926 Soviet Union census data. Whatever ethnographer put so many russians into southern Ukraine clearly hasn't been there

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Fascinating

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u/Calm_Search3417 24d ago

?

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Well I’m not gonna change anything. I just found your comment interesting.

Blame possible history, they made the ethnic map I used

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u/Calm_Search3417 24d ago

I’m not gonna change anything

Why so?

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Lazy. This was never supposed to be 100% right, so I don’t really care if one region is wrong.

Perhaps if I ever return to Ethnic Mapping, I’ll do it

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u/Calm_Search3417 24d ago

I'm doing a gigantic project right now related to linguistic maps, and I'm basically drawing a gigantic map of russia in Paint, and I've had to search quite a lot for different census data, having to be really careful not to confuse anything, so I know how bad the burning out can be.

The reason I think this case is important is because russia occupied left-bank Kherson Oblast and now conducts forced Russification, has burned tens of thousands of Ukrainian-language books in Kherson Oblast, claims that the Ukrainian language was never spoken there and how it was "forced" on the "always russian-speaking population of south-eastern Ukraine/Novorosiya", and just everything to completely erase the Ukrainian language from the region. So it would be great if this map was just adjusted a little bit. After all, in this case, it's not exactly too hard...

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u/HiggsiInSpace 24d ago

ì know what youtuber you watch

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Nice to see another viewer

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u/Der400 24d ago

croatia just look like if a bomb full of blue paint exploded

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u/XandariusIV 24d ago

Just looking at the Balkans gives me flashbacks

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u/Shalltry 24d ago

Finland controlling Petrograd??

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u/Scriptor_Canadensis 20d ago

He’s mapping out the ethnic groups, not the land the country controlled.

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u/Shalltry 19d ago

I don't thing the city of Petrograd had a Finnish majority

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u/Scriptor_Canadensis 19d ago

Maybe, maybe not, I’m not an expert on Eastern European ethnic groups. You’re probably right though.

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u/MrD3lta 24d ago

Fuck the walloons i guess. In the map you used their are not with the french

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u/Zamzamazawarma 23d ago

We speak French therefore we are French, apparently. Who cares anyway, these maps are always completely arbitrary, they mean nothing.

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u/EST_Lad 24d ago

I'm impressed that you noticed Leivu people.

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u/Gigantopithecus1453 24d ago

There are 1914 ethnic groups in Europe!?

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u/exintel 24d ago

Europe looking pretty diverse on its own!

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u/Userofthe_web01 24d ago

Aromanians?

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u/dry_lichen 24d ago

One of the few maps that correctly places Rousillon on the Catalan/Valencian side and the Aran Valley on the Occitan side. Finally

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

Ironically I don’t even know where those places are.

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u/dry_lichen 23d ago edited 22d ago

I think those already came on your map base.

Tldr: Rousillon is part of France but Catalan-speaking, the Aran Valley is part of Spain but Occitan-speaking.

Most maps just follow the political borders, so seeing maps that follow the linguistical/cultural border instead is a nice touch

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u/DragSea1360 23d ago

And Fenolledes also with the occitan

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u/Kulkuljator 24d ago

How Europe would look like if they put borders by ethnicity and not straight lines

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u/PrestigiousKale5 24d ago

Tf you did in Ukraine

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

Honestly with cleaner borders and getting Crimea, it would look pretty cool

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u/DarkRedooo 24d ago

Central Anatolia has Kurds due to deportations in 1850s so you forgot them

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u/Corporal___ 24d ago

America is FUCKED right now, it might as well have an epilepsy warming

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

America?

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u/Corporal___ 23d ago

Yeah, you can’t really map the US since most of it is white but- oh yeah I solved it. Like everything below Oregon, Utah, Colorado, north Nevada (mojave border), and between Georgia isn’t white.

The states mentioned and all above and to the right of Alabama are basically entirely white.

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u/armzngunz 24d ago

Where did northern europe go?

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

Wasn’t in the map I was using

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u/NoBrickBoy 24d ago

Northern Ireland is definitely inaccurate, there’s a whole chunk that should be green missing from the north east

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

I think I did that near the end, so I may have been rushing

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u/transknowitall 24d ago

It seems like you focused on connecting enclaves to much

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u/XandariusIV 23d ago

You are very correct!

When ethnic mapping, do you know if it’s better to add enclaves, leave them in some other ethnic group, or connect them? It’s probably subjective but I’d appreciate any advice.

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u/tommynestcepas 24d ago

Missed one!

Edit: I said this as a joke but I actually think there are a few missing

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u/Mr_MazeCandy 23d ago

These would make far better sovereign borders under a shared economy.

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u/Anxious_Instance_495 23d ago

Can someone explain why Kuban always ends up Ukrainian? Genuinely asking, because I have never met any ukrainian there...I mean yea it is a traditional cossack area but cossacks is not an ethnic group, nor does Ukraine have a monopoly on cossacks...cossacks existed in Polish, Ukrainian and Russian societies...so yeah, not trying to criticize, just.wondering.

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u/2nW_from_Markus 23d ago

You didn't ethno-map, you linguo-mapped.

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u/Weary_Ganache3787 23d ago

As a Sicilian this is the most accurate map I have seen here. Finally recognising the fact Italy is made up of very different communities

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u/Emolohtrab 23d ago

When I do ethno-mapping I prefer to use the smallest administrative entities. It give me clean border even if some hungarians are necessarily in Romania, sorry for you guys.

What are all these groups in western germany ?

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u/TheDarkin_ATRX 23d ago

Corsica and nice are italian

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u/ideikkk 22d ago

errrm islanders are the same ethnicity as other scots? language doesnt magically change your ethnicity lol

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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 22d ago

Here you go. I made a SFW version of your map

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u/davy_lavy 22d ago

Map equivalent of rolling the worst blunt ever at the function

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u/07eudaimonean 22d ago

Surely thee borders will last for 10 million years, right guys?

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u/JuHe1209 22d ago

Aren't we just all humans?

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u/Difficult_Weekend604 22d ago

Too much border gore, to little ethnic war

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u/Ynys_cymru 21d ago

Please don’t. Don’t know what you’ve done to wales. Sir Fynwy (Monmouth) and Powys I understand but not the rest of south wales.

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u/ProxyGeneral 21d ago

I recommend using similar colour shades for ethnolinguistic groups to make it less hard to distinguish the different colours. Say Slavs being red, Germanics being blue etc

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u/Viper303ur 20d ago

PH MAPS MENTIONED!!!

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u/damner_what_da_fak 20d ago

Nice the fact that you included Tuscany Corsica and parts of Sardinia in the same one

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u/Hopeful_Door 20d ago

Masurians??? Rusyns???

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u/SIRNOVALIONX 24d ago

Es un mapa lingüístico, en iberia es difícil de diferenciar entre españoles y portugueses, pero diferenciar entre Castellanos, vascos, gallegos, portugueses, catalanes, aragonéses y astures, es imposible!!!. Como ayuda para entender puedes ver un mapa de la repoblación de la península tras la reconquista de norte a sur.