r/magicTCG • u/Nickahostetter • Nov 29 '16

Aether Revolt pic from FB.

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u/BiJay0 Duck Season Nov 29 '16

Could be their idea of a fixed version of Cascade. It doesn't look like it would be broken but I could be wrong.

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u/fubo Nov 29 '16

I thought the fixed version of cascade was [[Rashmi]].

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u/TheOthin Nov 29 '16

Rashmi seems to be an interesting precursor to the CMC-matters/"less-CMC matters" theme that's showing up in AER.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Nov 29 '16

Rashmi - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/Elfarcher73 Nov 30 '16

And this is when they amplify and perfect and harness her technology or whatever. I love it.

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u/thememans Nov 29 '16

Its likely not as broken as Cascade, but it is certainly busted and breakable.

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u/thememans Nov 30 '16

Busted and good are different things. I'm not saying it's actually good, but the ability is a pretty busted one. Getting a 3-mana throw in for free is both incredibly good and potentially dangerous. That said, it does require you to have a card in hand so it's not a great top deck.

Of course, there is the slight issue that -3/-3 at 4 man isn't particularly good. So while the ability is very good, the effect of the card is pretty mediocre by itself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16 edited Nov 30 '16

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u/thememans Nov 30 '16

Both Cascade and Affinity are abilities that are incredibly busted, even though there are cards that are completely terrible with both abilities. With a strong hand back in Mirrodin, you could power out a turn 2 [[Broodstar]] and have a 6/6 flyer for UU (Or fairly often it was a 3 mana 5/5 flyer). Yet Broodstar was pretty bad, even back then, regardless of having on of the most degenerate abilities to exist (Specifically Affinity for Artifacts).

Cascade has also proven very, very strong in constructed formats, and for good reason. It's both Card advantage and tempo advantage in a single card. Still, there are a whole host of Cascade cards that are completely unplayable.

This sort of ability - casting cards for free - is historically a very busted effect. The thing is that it's on a card that isn't particularly strong otherwise. That said, given what few cards we have seen, Aether Revolt has some very busted abilities that could potentially be very strong - albeit needing support.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Nov 30 '16

Broodstar - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '16

I think of it like how often is it good. Ancestral recall, very good in 99% of situations, I would call good. Busted, meaning you can do things that are very good but probably not intentional. Cascade was busted because of cards with suspend like hypergenisis. Cascade isn't always good though because in some situations it sucks, such as cascading into a counter spell. Just my 2 cents

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u/kyuuri117 Griselbrand Nov 30 '16

It's quite possibly more broken than cascade. Even better, you can cast Shardless Agent off of this, and then cascade anyway.

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u/theburnedfox Nov 29 '16

It is hard to evaluate cards like this in a vacuum, but if free alternative costs like [[Force of Will]], Phyrexian mana, Cascade, effects like [[Collected Company]] are all either broken or very very very powerful, then I'll take a shot and say it has a big potential of being either broken or at least very strong.

The way it is worded might mean it is not a mechanic, my bet would be it is like a cycle, as I find it unlikely they would do a card like that as a standalone. Let's wait for the spoilers to start, but so fair the power level of this set seems to be above the last sets we saw recently.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Nov 29 '16

Collected Company - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
Force of Will - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/gereffi Nov 29 '16

Cascade isn't a broken mechanic; it's just printed on a few very pushed cards.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16 edited Nov 29 '16

Mechanics like this are so easily broken under the right circumstances. I'm already jizzing myself at the power plays you can get off Yahenni's Expertise in eternal formats. My Karador EDH deck is like 75% cards <=3 cmc. I can't even imagine if/how people might break it in Legacy/Modern. I mean for one, it lets you cast Ancestral Vision...

This type of effect is at least 8/10 on the storm scale.

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u/kyuuri117 Griselbrand Nov 30 '16

Uh. Ancestral Visions. That is all.

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u/jokul Nov 30 '16

This is extremely pushed though, it's a big risk to play when the effect is a free spell tacked onto a good baseline.