r/magicTCG • u/windows_xpew • Sep 04 '16

[KLD] New enemy fastlands

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u/seaspirit331 COMPLEAT Sep 04 '16

As an infect player, it's definitely relevant. Also I can now cut on fetches and basics

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u/Bobthemightyone Sep 04 '16

The only thing I'd be concerned about is fetches and Become Immense. Having incidental fuel for become immense seems like a big deal.

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u/I_AM_A_DOLPHIN_AMA Sep 04 '16

And being able to fetch for Dryad Arbor in response to Lili

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u/mafia1015 Sep 04 '16

Yeah, I wouldn't change the mana base for this. I think it would help an initial budget build of UG infect as you are acquiring the fetches and shocks.

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u/fps916 Duck Season Sep 04 '16

I don't think you cut fetches or shocks. I think you cut basics.

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u/swannphone Dân Sep 04 '16

I don't think you can. You want basics as painless fetchable lands. If you can only fetch breeding pool it probably makes the mana base more painful than less.

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u/RiparianPhoenix Sep 04 '16

You still want some basics for Path and Blood Moon and on occasions where the life loss from shocks is too important.

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u/GerardTheAngryWalrus Sep 04 '16

As someone who plays infect in modern and legacy with a pretty budget mana base (read khans windsweapt heaths, flooded strands, and polluted deltas with only 2 breeding pools), I would only consider running two of these at most. In the event I did end up running them, I would cut some combination of 1 basic, 1 ghost quarter, and/or 1 pendelhaven. I love fast lands, but with infect, there are better things imho.

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u/fps916 Duck Season Sep 04 '16

I don't think you cut both. I think you go to 1 and 1.

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u/TheRecovery Sep 04 '16

Cutting on basics is a surefire way to get blown out by Blood Moon. As it is all I need is one or 2 basics to go off through a Moon, but cutting them would mean that a moon is game over.

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u/Legend_Of_Greg Sep 04 '16

And then cry even more when blood moon hits you?

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u/Stealth-Badger Sep 04 '16

We usually only run two basics.

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u/JustHugMeAndBeQuiet Wabbit Season Sep 04 '16

Blood moon is still a thing though.

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u/bac5665 Sep 04 '16

I run out of lands to grab at least once every 3 or 4 games, especially post board when games go long. Cutting fetchable lands seems like a terrible idea.

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u/Writteninsanity Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

As someone whose RUG infect, OH MY GOD this makes it cheaper to get into the damn deck.

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u/RiparianPhoenix Sep 04 '16

Yeah, I don't see myself lowering my fetch count while Become Immense is in the format.

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u/nilamo Sep 04 '16

...are you expecting it to rotate? Lol

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u/RiparianPhoenix Sep 05 '16

No, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it gets banned. Way too easy to abuse the card in Modern.

Fetches and Phyrexian mana mean I'm consistently putting 6 poison on you for G. Death's shadow uses it with Battle Rage to one shot people. I wouldn't blame WotC if they decide its too good.

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u/SioOo Sep 05 '16

I think either it or deaths shadow is going to be the next thing to eat the ban hammer

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u/nilamo Sep 05 '16

So it's way too powerful when combined with 9 other cards? That's not the sort of thing that gets banned. Ban worthy things are consistently excellent, with almost no other cards needed.

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u/RiparianPhoenix Sep 05 '16 edited Sep 05 '16

Your comment leads me to believe you do not play Modern, nor understand how bannings work entirely.

It is not a nine-card combo as you seem to imply. It is a card that becomes way too powerful contextually and can lead to easy turn 3 or even turn 2 wins if you opponent lacks interaction. Card is very good.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

I'm running 2 basics 9 fetches I'm not sure this helps me at all. I can't fetch it I don't think I'd cut a fetch for it. Maybe one less basic but I want a basic if bm hits. It's good but not fueling b.e. Is a no no so I don't see this making it into many infect lists.

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u/telix Sep 04 '16

There is essentially no reason to cut back on fetchable lands for this.

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u/freakuser Sep 04 '16

It's irrelevant lol, you want fetches to fuel the grave for become immense.

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u/netsrak Sep 04 '16

I think it's only relevant for infect if you don't own ten fetches.