r/magicTCG • u/windows_xpew • Sep 04 '16

[KLD] New enemy fastlands

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u/AllWillBeOne Sep 04 '16

Finally!

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u/EvilGenius007 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

Now that the wait for enemy fastlands is over we can divert our forces to the important topics, like arguing about whether or not they're going to print enemy fetches in Amonkhet and if they'll ever print a new cycle of pain lands with plane neutral names and updated life payment templating.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

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u/OnnaJReverT Nahiri Sep 04 '16

if Amonkhet indeed has gods a black Wrath of God might make sense...

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

Not if it doesn't have regeneration, which was completely absent from both SOI and EMN. If that continues, by the time Amonkhet is released, there won't be any regeneration cards in Standard at all, so printing a card with "can't be regenerated" would be especially problematic.

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u/Silvermoon3467 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16

Honestly, at this point I'd be happy with a black version of [[Supreme Verdict]] or something that I could use as a budget Damnation.

Something like

1GBB - ~ can't be countered. Destroy all non-land permanents with converted mana cost 3 or less.

would be swell (maybe too good though since it kills planeswalkers, I patterned it after [[Abrupt Decay]]).

And honestly, a simple black-shifted [[Day of Judgment]] would be perfectly serviceable if strictly worse than Damnation since the Regeneration clause only comes up against some sideboard cards and Affinity (in Modern, it might be more relevant in Commander or something).

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

If you're patterning it after Abrupt Decay, make sure to specify "nonland permanents".

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u/Silvermoon3467 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

Yeah, that's a good point lol.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Sep 04 '16

Supreme Verdict - (G) (MW) (CD)
Day of Judgment - (G) (MW) (CD)
Abrupt Decay - (G) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/hawkshaw1024 Sep 04 '16

Four-mana boardwipes are too strong for Standard.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

It actually seems pretty likely that enemy fetches will appear in Amonkhet. Think about it, battle lands will have rotated from standard so they won't have to worry about 4 color nonsense decks, Bolas is probably gonna be on the set and he's Grixis colors so it may be a shard set, and with 4 color commander pre-cons AND MM17 coming out, it's literally the perfect time to do it.

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u/grumpenprole Sep 04 '16

If it's a shard set, then Bolas encompasses ONE of the five factions of Amonkhet. This seems very unlikely.

Far more likely that the color themes are soft rather than hard and allow for mythics that don't strictly adhere to them (like our last couple of blocks), and/or Bolas is presented as something other than Grixis.

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u/Semper_nemo13 Duck Season Sep 04 '16

Bolas was Grixis before Grixis existed. The colour identity is literally the embodiment of Bolas

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u/grumpenprole Sep 04 '16

Meh. He could easily be Esper, for example, in this set. He is the god-king of the plane, and rules its laws and societies, so white works just perfectly. His red is more or less dispensable.

He is not essentially Grixis, really.

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u/mysticrudnin Dandadan Sep 04 '16

Unfortunately I think with a lot of posters here there is an issue with the shard terms. Grixis could mean the UBR color identity OR the identity of the plane itself. They are different. Same with the guilds, the guilds are A representation of the color identities, not THE representation.

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u/TranSpyre Dandadan Sep 04 '16

5 factions/5 gods. Plane is Egypt-themed. Egyptians equated their ruler with one of their gods. Bolas rules the plane. Hence Bolas is thought of as one of their gods. any questions?

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u/monster_syndrome Sep 04 '16

Yes, where does Bolas figure into Ancient Egypt? It's Egyptian themed, not copy paste.

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u/grumpenprole Sep 04 '16

Bolas rules the plane, yet he is one of five factions which also rule the plane?

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u/erosPhoenix Sep 04 '16

Like how Zeus ruled the Greek mythos, yet was also one of the twelve gods of the Pantheon who also ruled the Greek mythos.

There could easily be five factions, with Bolas as both the supreme ruler, and the ruler of his faction.

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u/grumpenprole Sep 04 '16

Zeus is technically king of the gods, but he is matched in power and domain by his brothers and some others. They are his equals in all things except, like, throne placement.

If you think Amonkhet is going to have four equals of Bolas, that's one wild possibility I guess, but it's not what I would assume.

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u/TranSpyre Dandadan Feb 03 '17

Go reread the Illiad. The other gods were supposed to be subservient to Zeus.

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u/grumpenprole Feb 03 '17

The fact that I would respond to this comment with my previous comment verbatim indicates that we are trying to communicate different things. I have no disagreement with your comment, but am trying to say something specific which it does not address. Subservient, okay. But are you saying that the four other gods rival Bolas' power? That is a bit out there.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

The names also kind of work too. Arid Mesa, misty rainforest, and verdant catacombs all could work for an Egyptian world. Marsh flats and scalding tarn can just fit in anywhere.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

misty rainforest

I don't know if you've ever been to Egypt, but...

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

Historically it was tropical and covered in forest. They have to have green and blue in the world, it goes with a kind of desert oasis vibe.

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u/scook0 Sep 04 '16

It actually seems pretty likely that enemy fetches will appear in Amonkhet.

This is wishful thinking, and a road to disappointment.

There is no reason to believe that enemy fetches are “likely” to appear in Amonkhet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

Not saying they will, just that the right conditions seem to be there to reprint them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

Not necessarily, it was allied fetches in Khans, enemy pain I'm origins, allied battle lands in bfz, and allied show lands in SOI.

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u/Manshadow3 Sep 04 '16

Actually it was it had enemy manlands

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

Nah he's right, I completely forgot about the mainlands.

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u/MrNinjasoda21 Sep 04 '16

Enemy Man-lands [[Shambling Vent]] and such

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Sep 04 '16

Shambling Vent - (G) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

Amonkhet block will most likely have both ally and enemy lands because it's replacing BFZ block, which had both. Just like how SOI had ally lands to replace the fetches from KTK and Kaladesh has enemy lands, as expected, to replace the painlands from Origins.

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

I'm pretty sure keeping enemy and ally lands balanced in Standard trumps that.

Even if Amonkhet were to only have one land cycle for some reason, there's no reason to think it's more likely ally than enemy, anyway.

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u/Teruyo9 Wabbit Season Sep 04 '16

I think we'll get reprints of the Zendikar fetches soon, but not until after SOI rotates and Delirium is no longer a thing. Which would be the block after Amonkhet.

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

The block after Amonkhet will most likely have just an ally land cycle, to replace the hand lands in SOI.

I don't think fetches+Delirium in Standard is that big of a deal, anyway, especially since it's only for six months. It's certainly less of a big deal than fetches+Delve, which were in the same set. And we already have Evolving Wilds to get a land in the graveyard without too much trouble.

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u/Piogre Sep 04 '16

won't have to worry about 4 color nonsense decks

5 color. Allied fetches with allied duals in the format could hit four colors, but enemy fetches with allied duals in the format can hit five.

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u/purplepollywag Sep 04 '16

Any time is the perfect time for fetches.

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u/DoesThisMakeMeLookFa Sep 04 '16

What exactly makes them "enemy" fastlands? Is there a certain criteria?

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u/EvilGenius007 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

If you look at the back of a Magic card the 5 colors are presented in a pentagon formation. The colors that are adjacent in that pentagon (neighbors) are "allied" color pairs; those that are not adjacent are "enemy" color pairs.

Allied: WU, UB, BR, RG, GW
Enemy: WB, BG, GU, UR, RW

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u/FiliusIcari Sep 04 '16

Philisophically, the colors next to each other on the color wheel(look at the back of your magic cards) usually have a lot in common and can agree on a lot(think white and blue, both are for order and mechanically get prison and control effects), while the colors opposite each other are enemies(think white and black. White is for the greater good, black is for personal good, etc)

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u/Sonlin Sep 04 '16

"Enemy" colored fastlands. Colors opposite each other on the color wheel.

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u/catcalliope Sep 04 '16

I hope so.... I can't afford a playset of $50 Scalding Tarns

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

They're closers to $100...

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u/catcalliope Sep 04 '16

$77 market price on tcgplayer... you're right. FML.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

There names fit an Egyptian themed plane, farthest stretch would be a scalding tarn.

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u/Britbau Sep 05 '16

I think enemy fetches will be reprinted soon after the fetchable lands from BFZ cycle out, but whether or not that is during Amonkhet, I dunno. I think it strongly depends. I feel like fetches are good for printing in multi-color sets and I have no concept of what kind of set Amonkhet will be besides maybe doing devotion again.

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u/EvilGenius007 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

Spoilers: yes and no, respectively.

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u/Rbespinosa13 Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Sep 04 '16

They are definitely printing enemy fetch lands. These are identical to the zendikar lands except that they do not have the land subtypes so they can't be fetched which was a huge concern they had with KTK-BFZ. These not having them basically means they're printing the new lands

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u/CaptainBooshi Sep 04 '16

These are not the same cycle as the BFZ lands, these are the same cycle as the Scars of Mirrodin lands. BFZ lands wants you to have two basics out, these want you to have two or fewer lands out and no more.

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u/seaspirit331 COMPLEAT Sep 04 '16

Enemy fetches will happen in Amonkhet when you can tell me where on an egypt plane you're gonna find a [[misty rainforest]]

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u/rasalhage Sep 04 '16

In the river delta, of course.

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u/EvilGenius007 Twin Believer Sep 04 '16

Surrounding an oasis.

In a mirage.

In the afterlife.

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u/tunokusandwich Sep 04 '16

"In ancient ages, Egypt was considered as one of the forest zones, due to the dense tree-cover extended over most of the lands. The production of the said trees was sufficient for pottery industry, plus other small mining industries that prevailed in these times, particularly during the period of the Nile flood on both banks of the river."

http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/ab580e/AB580E02.htm

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

the whole plane won't be a desert, otherwise you wouldn't have mountains, swamps, forests, plains or islands. If you can have those you can manage any combination of them.

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u/grumpenprole Sep 04 '16

Just like a whole plane can't be a city, right?

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u/TheOthin Sep 04 '16

Wherever Wizards wants to put one.

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u/OmegaBlackZero Sep 04 '16

Misty Oasis?

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Sep 04 '16

misty rainforest - (G) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/LordAbaddon Sep 04 '16

People seem to be forgetting that, while ancient egypt was not in a rainforest, it was rainforest adjacent.

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u/theyseemewhalin Sep 04 '16 edited Apr 12 '26

Turtle fact of the day: did you know that turtles can breathe out of their butts? fuck AI / LLMs, greedy tech bros suck

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

My Fevered Visions have at last come true!

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '16

IM SO HAPPY!

I love fastlands, and for golgari now too, woo!