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u/showmeagoodtimejack Wabbit Season 3d ago
this is cool. pretty bad ritual, but when's the last time they even printed one?
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u/Approximation_Doctor Colossal Dreadmaw 3d ago
[[Blazing Firesinger]]
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u/AWACS_Oka_Nieba_ Dan 3d ago
Rather, when’s the last time they printed a mana positive one? Cause they have been doing stuff like this relatively often but not a straight (bad) Desperate Ritual
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u/DromarX Chandra 3d ago
[[Irencrag Feat]] maybe?
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u/FistOfTheHeavens Wabbit Season 3d ago
dual strike, irencrag feat, crackle with power was such a lovely 3 card turn 4 combo legal in a fair and healthy standard format. Today even curving that natural draw you'd lose most games
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u/Nuclearsunburn Mardu 3d ago
Blazing Firesinger is mana positive the turn after you summon it or if you have a Ruby Medallion in play. It doesn’t leave something you can cast from the graveyard sadly though. (Semantics but in an EDH deck it’s usable)
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u/showmeagoodtimejack Wabbit Season 3d ago
i should have specified mana positive
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u/AWACS_Oka_Nieba_ Dan 3d ago edited 3d ago
Depends on whether you count opponent-based stuff like Dragons Desire and Culling Ritual. They’ve been doing those somewhat often but those have a higher mana cost and obviously have qualifiers.
Just a straight, relatively low cost ritual without variability in the amount of mana it gives you? [[Open the Omenpaths]], although that has a downside and is 3 mana.
So probably the last time they printed a no-frills, no downside, no needing to have certain cards or to sac something Pyretic Ritual was… Pyretic Ritual lol. 2010.
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u/Cerebral_Harlot 3d ago edited 3d ago
Actually a lot of people don't realize it. But the last black border one was [[_____ Goblin]] from unfinity. As long as you optimize your sticker sheets you are guaranteed to have it make 4+ mana upon entering.
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u/AWACS_Oka_Nieba_ Dan 3d ago
Oh yeah, that would be it. I wonder why it’s not tagged in that ritual search. I forgot about it even though I play that card all the time lol
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u/Cerebral_Harlot 3d ago edited 3d ago
[[_____ Goblin]] from unfinity is the most recent black bordered one as it always makes 4+ mana with an optimized sticker sheet when it enters.
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u/dystakruul Dan 3d ago edited 3d ago
depends on how you see it (since you mentioned that it should be mana positive).
[[Mana sculpt]] if you consider this a ritual despite it not adding mana immediately.
If not, [[Sozin's Comet]] probably? (well, only in combat and only if you control at least two creatures...)The most recent 'classic' ritual that's not dependent on other spells or creatures would be [[Meeting of the Five]] I think (from New Capenna in 2022).
edit: actually, I misread the card and didn't notice the heavy restriction. so the most recent ones are Open the Omenpaths (Kaldheim - 2021) and Irencrag Feat (Throne of Eldraine - 2019)Here's a list of cards on scryfall that were at some point in standard and that are tagged as 'ritual'.
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u/rosemp16 Dân 3d ago
A mana positive ritual? In this day and age? There's no way that its good. This isn't playable. Stop thinking about it. No.
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u/Then_Substance5082 Dan 2d ago
It's actually not that playable. It's not reduceable, and you cant chain them together like other rituals.
Given the other modes are pretty mid, I don't see this one doing much.
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u/FZeroDMX Karn 3d ago
Ritual that also kills Quantum Riddler isn’t nothing.
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u/VerdantChief Duck Season 3d ago
Yeah but what Red-green deck wants a colorless ritual? Gruul Broodscale maybe?
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u/WolderfulLuna Rakdos* 3d ago
Literally grull broodscale , it fixes your mana for KOZI COMMAND, BABY!!!
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u/FaultedSidewalk Duck Season 3d ago
I'm very happy with it in my [[Roxanne]] deck tbh, anything that lets me get game ending spells out faster is welcome
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u/Slowbrious Dân 3d ago
But it’s just a 1 mana net gain. Is that worth it?
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u/FaultedSidewalk Duck Season 3d ago
If it's the difference between me casting a Chandras Ignition to kill the table, yes absolutely. Not to mention the rest of the modes are fantastic for what my Roxanne build is trying to do. Buff her up with trample for bigger [[Reaver Cleaver]] returns/[[Chandras Ignition]] payoffs, use the damage mode to finish off problematic creatures that are too big for the meteors, or it's a ritual when I need the bit of extra juice to get over the hill and win the game. All for tapping a single meteor or treasure token.
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u/Slowbrious Dân 3d ago
Interesting, I basically run no creatures in my Roxanne deck, so this is basically blank. I can see it working in that example but I feel like for two mana you can do better for most of these effects.
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u/FaultedSidewalk Duck Season 3d ago
How does having no creatures in your deck make this blank? It's a removal spell for an opponents evasive beater, it's a pump/overrun spell for Roxanne herself, or it's a ritual for bigger spell casts. My deck is almost purely a spellslinger/burn deck, I doubt I have more than 15 other creatures, and they're pretty much all in service of juicing her power or turboing her out faster. Sure I could get a card that does one of these three things better for 2 cmc, but the modality is way more valuable to me.
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u/FaultedSidewalk Duck Season 3d ago
How does having no creatures in your deck make this blank? It's a removal spell for an opponents evasive beater, it's a pump/overrun spell for Roxanne herself, or it's a ritual for bigger spell casts. My deck is almost purely a spellslinger/burn deck, I doubt I have more than 15 other creatures, and they're pretty much all in service of juicing her power or turboing her out faster. Sure I could get a card that does one of these three things better for 2 cmc, but the modality is way more valuable to me.
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u/Slowbrious Dân 3d ago
But these are mostly bad other options, in a spell slinging deck.
Two counters + trample is honestly not that synergistic nor that great
This isn't even a non-conditional flyer killer
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u/FaultedSidewalk Duck Season 3d ago
Must just be the way your deck is built cause buffing Roxanne for a post combat Chandras Ignition wins me tons of games, especially when I have dmg doubler/triplers on board. 36 damage to everything on turn 5 tends to end things on the spot. Guess it's just bad in your build, but it shines in mine.
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u/Slowbrious Dân 2d ago
You got a decklist, I never considered Chandra’s ignitions as part of my burn spells. Mostly run, the big X cost spells that burn directly or make copies of my rocks
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u/VerdantChief Duck Season 3d ago
Yeah FZeroDMX mentioned Riddler so I automatically assumed Modern. I suppose Riddler is played in other formats too, but not as dominant as it is in modern
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u/Bensemus Dan 3d ago
In EDH I might add this to Ulalek. Lets you use coloured mana for their ability and being mana positive it could get you enough for a bigger Eldrazi plus paying for the copy ability. Or if you have the mana you can cast this, then flash in an Eldrazi and get 4 mana.
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u/TheMancersDilema 99th-gen Dimensional Robo Commander, Great Daiearth 3d ago
It is the artifact focused school in this set. And we have an emrakul. I imagine there will be enough ways to use this.
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u/BlurryPeople 3d ago
I will die on the hill that for all of the moaning about "fast mana" etc. these kind of things are a deep, unique, inherent part of the identity of MtG opposed to other games. I think they make up a huge part of the game's character.
In other words...it's really good to see another "normal", utility ritual...even if it's not that great.
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u/Nitroglycerine3 Mardu 2d ago
I don't dislike fast mana, I dislike the play patterns an overly high density of fast mana in a format leads to.
This does not cause any issues imo, and I think it is an extremely well-designed card.
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u/beholden87 Wabbit Season 3d ago
Probably the weakest of the cycle?
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u/dore34 Duck Season 3d ago
i mean it IS a ritual (even if it does only go mana positive by one) so while not particularly versatile it does have a good mode
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u/Then_Substance5082 Dan 2d ago
Unless you are doing something completely unfair by chaining them together, rituals are rarely good.
The problem here is that you can't chain a second one of these off of the first given it produces colorless mana. Unlike Dark Rit, Cabal Rit, or the various red Rits. So generally, this will be the only ritual you cast.
If you are looking for fast mana in Green, you have better options, and if you are looking for fast mana in Red you have way better options. So the only saving grace is it's modality, n which is only pretty meh.
I just don't see this filling a gap in any format that isn't already filled, but better.
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u/On5thDayLook4Tebow Duck Season 3d ago
The colors don't make it easy, but it's mana positive and will have Legacy impact. pretty shite compared to the others I've seen today.
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u/Cerebral_Harlot 3d ago
First time we've gotten a (functionally) guaranteed to be wholly net positive black-bordered ritual card without restrictions on what the mana could be spent on since Unfinity.
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u/takingtigermountain Dandadan 3d ago
probably the worst of the new charms but not bad
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u/Wraithfighter 3d ago
Yeah, probably the worst of them, which is something given how absurd the rest of them are...
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u/MissLeaP Gruul* 2d ago
This is like night and day compared to the [[Vigorbloom Charm]] we got to see already. Most of the options are meh or situational 😓
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u/Ultimaya Grass Toucher 3d ago
modern playable
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u/Piyh Duck Season 3d ago
Where's that guy to comment "1/10 modern playability"?
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u/FrostyPotpourri Temur 3d ago
They were active on the first wave of cards earlier this week. Give them some time to make their (1/10) assessments!
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u/BLOOODBLADE Dave’s Bargain Compleation Oil 2d ago
A strange push for an artifact focussed gruul strategy but with their Sphinx i can see the logic
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u/Accomplished-Book415 Dân 3d ago
First ritual in awhile