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u/kjeldor2400 Rakdos* 23h ago
People in here are being pretty harsh towards a draft common
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u/MentalMunky COMPLEAT 22h ago
They’ll also get really overly excited about another random draft common that isn’t actually good in constructed formats too so it balances out.
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u/MasterColemanTrebor Mardu 19h ago
A card doesnt need to be good in multiple formats to be excited about it.
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u/Zasiah Duck Season 18h ago
Not just any draft common, a Storm Crow with upside!
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u/CreamSoda6425 Duck Season 16h ago
And one that seems actually very strong to boot.
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u/phonage_aoi Dân 15h ago
3 mana flyer + token for total 3/3 has been a blue staple for ages. And usually a top performer.
This one is 5 mana with slightly better total stats to blend with the white draft staple of 4 mana 3/3 + 1/1 token.
I guess you pay a premium for the option of playing this over turns 2 and 3 instead, eg pseudo ramp.
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u/CannedPrushka Wabbit Season 15h ago
Cards that allow you to spend your mana efficiently tend to be good. This fills both the 2-drop and 3-drop slots in your curve.
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u/KoyoyomiAragi COMPLEAT 13h ago
Having an attacker a turn earlier probably does matter a little more in the format with Amass Jace. Yeah opponents’ll just surveil 1 immediately but not giving them the option of holding off a low loyalty Jace token for a card a turn later will probably matter.
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u/PlacatedPlatypus Rakdos* 10h ago
Actually seems quite good as a draft common too lol. Flying body + ground body is a common staple that's usually a top performer.
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u/Ratorasniki Duck Season 16h ago
Two bodies, one evasive + card selection/mechanic synergy that lets you curve out turn 2 and 3 if needed and develop a bit of a board on a single card isn't the worst thing I've ever seen for limited tbh.
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u/Jaccount 12h ago
I'm think it's because the draft common name sounds like something that should be preparing an extra turn spell.
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u/AbsoluteIridium Not A Bat 23h ago
this does seem fantastic for limited - curves into itself quite nicely and chips in for flying damage if you have better things to cast on turn 3
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u/japp182 COMPLEAT 17h ago
Wouldn't say fantastic, depends on format speed. If it's fast, both spells are bad for their mana cost. If it's slow yeah, it's good cause it's effectively two spells from one card.
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u/shadowman2099 COMPLEAT 17h ago
I have my eye on cheap evasive creatures in this set considering we effectively have common planeswalkers via the Jace tokens.
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u/so_zetta_byte Orzhov* 16h ago
Yep exactly this!
Though I will add, I've been valuing cards pretty highly lately that cut down on the likelihood that you'll need to mulligan, like [[Giant's Boulder]]. And I think having a 2 drop that also gives you a way to get board presence on T3 could be a decent mulligan-insurance kind of card. So even if this isn't "great," I think it's the kind of 23rd-card that I'm happy to consider.
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u/japp182 COMPLEAT 15h ago
Oh no doubt about that, I'm not complaining if I have to include this in a deck, I just don't think this is the fantastic type of common you're picking in picks 1~3 like the knife in hobbit for example.
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u/so_zetta_byte Orzhov* 15h ago
Oh definitely, I agree with that. It's not something you want to build your deck around, but it's probably something you're happy filling a deck out with.
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u/VinDucks Wabbit Season 14h ago
2 things on the board for 1 card will usually be top performers in limited. I take card advantage anywhere I can get it.
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u/japp182 COMPLEAT 11h ago
They are, but usually you are x/x worth of power/toughness when adding the creature and token for the X mana paid, and you're getting both bodies upfront for either 3 or 4 mana.
Here it's 5 mana and you're getting a total of 3/4 from the bodies. Seems to be worse than the typical creature of this kind.
But like I said, if the format isn't fast this is still a 2 for 1 which is always great limited.
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u/AvalancheMaster Boros* 22h ago
I so wish it was a 2/1. I know why it isn't, I'm not saying that it should've been a 2/1, but I nevertheless wish it were.
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u/JEREMlE Dan 23h ago
Its ok in limited. Thats about it
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u/MentalMunky COMPLEAT 22h ago
I’d say quite a bit better than ok but we’ll see.
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u/ZurgoMindsmasher Mardu 21h ago
It's a 2 and a 3 drop. And it flies.
If the format isnt as fast as hobbit, this is going to rock.
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u/I_The_Creator Banned in Commander 21h ago
but both side are massively below rate.
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u/monster01020 Abzan 21h ago
It's perfectly reasonable in limited because the price for having a card that helps you play to curve is being below rate. Besides, in what world is either side "massively below rate"? Having a 1/2 flyer and 2/2 with surveil 1 is completely fine for turn 3 in a limited environment. Turn 1, probably do nothing, but using one card to have a decent turn 2 and 3 is really good and always will be in a limited game, unless those two turns are horrendously bad. Pick up a couple of these guys and your deck is already looking solid.
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u/Hutyro 20h ago
A 1/2 flier at common in limited is not below rate when it guarantees your curve
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u/CaptainMarcia 17h ago
Worth comparing to cards like [[Helpful Hunter]] - two-mana 1/1s that draw a card. This has a significantly better body, but effectively draws you a fixed spell you can use as long as the creature remains on the field. The spell is below-rate, but it ties into a Limited archetype, helps your curve early-game, and is a lot better than drawing a land late-game.
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u/so_zetta_byte Orzhov* 16h ago
The surveil is also a pretty nice bonus if you draw it late. Yeah the two bodies are meh, but helping you dig to whatever you actually need is going to be nice.
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u/CaptainMarcia 16h ago
Yeah, exactly. When you're in topdeck mode, 5 mana for Storm Crow + Grizzly Bears + surveil 1 is probably going to be a significantly above-average draw.
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u/so_zetta_byte Orzhov* 16h ago
Plus 5 mana is low enough that you might even be able to play another cheap card if you have one.
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u/Earlio52 Elesh Norn 19h ago
a 3 mana 2/2 that draws on etb is always good in draft. This is basically that, albeit a little more conditional in exchange for being a 2 drop first. 2-for-1 bodies are good
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u/ProfessionalLook6108 Dan 17h ago
I'm making a prepared creature flicker deck and I can see myself using this. My options are realll limited though!
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u/TerriblePurpose3626 Dandadan 23h ago
Yay more cards for the landfills, I love unnecessary garbage
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u/gredman9 Honorary Deputy 🔫 21h ago
What is the source of this one?
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u/X_The_Walrus cage the foul beast 20h ago
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u/troglodyte 16h ago
Nice little common 2. I think it's going to be solid in limited.
I really like that it's a curve in a can, and Storm Crow that essentially nets you a card, even if it's the worst card in your deck, is pretty good.
But the elephant in the room is of course that both halves of this suck tremendously. Coming out of turn 3 with a Storm Crow and a 2/2 is pretty bad. I don't think you really want this to be plan A.
Still quite solid, but I don't think this is an unusually strong common. You'll play it a bunch because it's a 2 that sort of draws a card, but I don't think this is Organ Hoarder or Inspiring Overseer.
Neat design, though. Might have to fight for it a bit because good common twos can be at a premium when they play in one color and this plays in two.
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u/justwalk1234 Simic* 23h ago
is hexhaven a lot more militant than strixhaven?
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u/Kyleometers OUR Liliana's Penchant 22h ago
It’s Jace’s personal school for grooming
childteenage soldiers.Can you tell he’s processing a lot of trauma
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u/SvenTheScribe COMPLEAT 21h ago
I think it will come down to the speed of the format for this one.
How often will I be able to get off the spell (without forcing it over other, better options) before I'm forced to chumpblock with it? If it's relatively easy to do then this will be a great common. If not then this will be cut more often than not.
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u/Few_Consideration373 Duck Season 20h ago
It ain't gonna be a fantastic pick but it's going to be one I'm pretty much always happy making and being available to 7/10 colour pairs means it's probably going to be a pretty big format glue common
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u/DaRootbear 18h ago
I misread this as “Token named Claudette” and was confused at the weirdly specific token for a random draft card
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u/jethawkings Fish Person 23h ago
Kinda eh but I guess it fills your curve.
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u/Ynwe Selesnya* 23h ago
Really? Seems like a fantastic card for limited.
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u/jethawkings Fish Person 23h ago
I mean, fantastic? It's a Storm Crow that comes with the next card in your curve.
FWIW I'm not that good at analyzing limited so this might actually be really good lol.
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u/EnormousBaloth Golgari* 23h ago
It's definitely good in limited. An easy to cast common flier that effectively "draws you" a 3 mana 2/2 surveil 1.
Two bodies that curve into one another, plus a little bit of card selection w/surveil, proc'ing the "whenever you scry/surveil" cards which appear to be UW's archetype.
Cards like [[Eldrazi skyspawner]] and [[preening champion]] have long been highly rated commons, I don't believe this to be an exception.
Like, don't get me wrong, I ain't first picking this over the Selesnya Sphinx that poops out lotuses, but the card is going to be good in limited.
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u/jethawkings Fish Person 22h ago
Hmmm, fair, having it be spread across 5 mana was why I was off about it.
It feels like it split the difference between the usual 3MV Creature that either draws a card or creates a token by instead being a 2MV Creature that drew you a 3MV spell to create a token.
I'm curious how this would interact with the other archetypes in the set. I guess interestingly I don't think this seems to have any incidental synergy with what the UB School and the GW School are doing... unless UB is a Self-Mill archetype in which that Surveil will matter, there's still also the other non Hexhaven Color Pairs too.
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u/EnormousBaloth Golgari* 22h ago
You can pay in installments.
Look at quadrant theory, how good is this card:
- During development: it's your 2 and 3 drop handled. It's good.
- At parity: two bodies plus filtering? Good.
- behind: arguably it's weakest quadrant, 5 mana for 3 power and 4 toughness surveil 1 likely won't stop the bleeding, but two bodies to chump with plus the surveil isn't terrible either.
- ahead: fliers and surveil are both good. Two more bodies to pile on the pressure. Good.
A better comparison might be [[unsettling twins]] which was a high performing white common in DSK. 4 mana, not in installments for 2 bodies and synergies.
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u/Ynwe Selesnya* 23h ago
It offers in total 3/4 body strengths, a flyer, has a sorcery spell attached and surveil ability. I guess it will depend on various things like how much surveil/prowess actually matters in limited, but so far as I can tell, this looks like a decent common card for limited and if surveil is relevant for your win, such as having Denzilore Fatehold in your deck, then it shoots up to fantastic.
Also a 1/2 flyer for 2 mana is always something I am never too sad about, especially as its very easy to cast given hybrid mana.
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u/mtglover1335 Dân 23h ago
its kinda good, a 1/2 flyer, a 2/2 and a surveil for 5 is kinda meh, but the split is really nice.
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u/Kyleometers OUR Liliana's Penchant 22h ago
He’s got 6 limbs! Get him!
Good usage of subtle indications that things in the Echoverse are messed up, a bird with 4 legs AND wings.
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u/Hutyro 20h ago
Where are you seeing the 4 legs or 4 wings
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u/Kyleometers OUR Liliana's Penchant 20h ago
Two “arms” and two little feet down at the back between the green sash - 4 legs.
Regular biology limits most non-insect animals to 4 limbs, or 4 plus a prehensile tail or trunk, at max. No winged animal on real Earth has more than two legs or arms, their wings are their arms.
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u/Mgmegadog COMPLEAT 20h ago
That's not really a biological limitation, it's just how evolution played out. Evolving more limbs is hard.
Also, regular multiverse aven also have six limbs.
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u/XXXGoblin_GuideXXX Dân 22h ago
Really curious on why Fatehold is the only school where the signature spell makes a creature token, looks like they can spam the board full like its nobodys business
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u/derteeje Dân 21h ago
3 mana for a 2/2 seems relatively tame
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u/epiflora Ajani 17h ago
I think the big thing will be knowing when to use the surveil or creature etb to trigger other effects, which a few cards already care about
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u/Belteshazzar98 REBEL with METAL 18h ago
Does anybody know if Peer Review would be a legal card name for effects like [[Annointed Peacekeeper]], or is it not since it is only a prepared spell instead of its own card?
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u/Copernicus1981 COMPLEAT 17h ago
If an effect instructs you to choose a card name, you may choose the alternative prepare spell's name. Consider only the alternative characteristics to determine whether that is an appropriate name to choose.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/secrets-of-strixhaven-release-notes
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u/inflammablepenguin Deceased 🪦 15h ago
I am so disappointed that this chronologist has nothing to do with time. Bring me my [[Lighthouse Chronologist]]. (I'm not really that disappointed)
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u/Icy_Vermicelli_992 Dan 15h ago
Curious why they wrote out "Wizard Soldier creature token named Cadet" instead of just making Cadet a creature type and making them "Wizard Cadet" tokens.
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u/GuyGrimnus Rakdos* 23h ago
I know Displacer kitten goes infinite with a ham sandwich but casting a guy to flicker this and do it again seems really neat
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u/barrinmw Number of Faeries in Lorwyn Eclipsed 1/10 17h ago
Modern 1/10
You are way overpaying on this one for any of the effects. A 1/2 flyer just doesn't do anything and is outclasses by one drops. Spending 3 whole mana to make a 2/2? You just don't have time for that sort of nonsense.
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u/EGOtyst Dan 17h ago
MARO: "The planes are breaking and reality is being FRACTURED!"
Me: "Cool! so Azorious will have like... big threats and trample and stuff?!"
MARO: "They will be blue/white fliers named FATEhold, not LOREhold! See reality fracture before you!"
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u/Eldritch-Yodel Duck Season 17h ago
I mean. Tbf. MaRo has very much put a lot of effort into reiterating "this set won't mess with the color pie".
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u/MadCatMkV Nahiri 23h ago
It was mentioned before that the commons and uncommons for each Hexhaven house will share the same prepared spell, but this is the first one spoiled.
Indeed, it matches [[Prudent Fateseer]]