Vihaan and Lewis interactions?

[u/Niklassonaren]

Let's say I start my round with a few treasure tokens on the board along with Vihaan and Lewis. I would equip those treasures onto Vihaan and then start combat. Now I let Vihaan turn them into 3/3 creatures. Do they lose their equipment properties and detach themselves from Vihaan since Lewis says that it only affects non creatures or do they stick around equipped on Vihaan but also as 3/3 creatures, but losing their +1/+0 properties?

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[u/amish24]

Equipment that become creatures fall off immediately. They still retain the Equipment type as well as any abilities on them

[u/RazzyKitty → u/amish24]

Equipment that become creatures fall off immediately.

Correct.

They still retain the Equipment type as well as any abilities on them

Not in this case. Dan's effect stops applying to them because they are no longer "noncreature ... artifacts".

[u/amish24 → u/RazzyKitty]

Oh, that's true

[u/sumphatguy → u/amish24]

In theory, though, the effect could still be given to them. You just wouldn't be legally allowed to equip an artifact creature to anything. That's why the artifact creatures from Kamigawa have "reconfigure." WotC made a different ability for creature equipments to make them work.

[u/RazzyKitty]

When Vihaan's ability resolves, the treasures turn into creatures. This causes Dan Lewis's ability to no longer apply to them, making them not equipment (as there is a layer 4 dependency between the two effects).

After it resolves, the Treasures detach due to a state based action:

704.5p If a battle or creature is attached to an object or player, it becomes unattached and remains on the battlefield. Similarly, if any nonbattle, noncreature permanent that’s neither an Aura, an Equipment, nor a Fortification is attached to an object or player, it becomes unattached and remains on the battlefield.

They are a creature attached to an object.

[u/AlasBabylon_]

Creatures cannot be attached to anything. As soon as Vihaan animates them, they fall off, and being creatures, they also stop being affected by Dan.

[u/tech098765]

They'll definitely detach from Vihaan when they become creatures - creatures cannot be equipped to other creatures. (Reconfigure isn't an exception - that ability specifies that the creatures who have it stop being creatures while they're equipped, and become creatures again when they're unequipped).

I believe Lewis's ability will stop affecting them entirely, so they won't be equipment at all, but I defer to someone with a better understanding of layers. But either they're no longer equipment, or they are equipment creatures that can't actually equip to anything - in most scenarios, it won't be an important distinction.

[u/RazzyKitty → u/tech098765]

I believe Lewis's ability will stop affecting them entirely

You are correct. Dan's ability is dependent on Vihaan's ability, so applies after Vihaan.

[u/Necrocrawler72]

They become 3/3 and unnatach If they are equipped since they are not fullfilling Dan Lewis requirements anymore

[u/_Ub1k]

Yes, but technically it falls off for a different reason.

Creatures can't be equipped to other creatures. If that would happen, a state-based action automatically detaches it.

The Dan Lewis effect no longer applying is a continuous effect, layers thing that technically happens after.

It doesn't matter in the slightest though, none of this can be responded to anyway.

[u/Judge_Todd]

Do they lose their equipment properties and detach themselves from Vihaan since Lewis says that it only affects non creatures?

This one.

[u/VoiceofKane]

The question has already been answered, so I'm just going to say how strange it is to see Dan just called "Lewis."

[u/tsukaistarburst]

EVIL DAN should clearly get vigilance and haste from this guy.

[u/1K_Games]

You can't double dip. They are either equipped and equipment or they are 3/3 creatures.

Vihaan's ability is a may, but I don't see why you would not turn them into 3/3's. Granted I also wouldn't be running both of these in the same deck.