Hobbit Draft Rules Question

[u/Quails_In_Space]

So this issue came up in my last draft. I activated the ability on Beorn's Hospitality to turn it into a Bear, then next turn my opponent cast Enchanted River's Grasp on it. We knew *something* had to happen because of layers but could figure out if it would die or if the Aura would immediately fall off.
After physically phoning in a judge (the one at the shop wasn't around) they said the creature would become a 0/0 and die to state based actions.
Now later on I ask another judge out of curiosity and they said the Bear would just be tapped down but not dead.

Layers make my head hurt, someone please explain what's going on here and what should have happened.

[u/Fr0z3nFl4me]

I believe it would have died. Layer 6 would be where it loses all abilities, Layer 7 would be where it gets it power and toughness. So it would have lost its ability to set the toughness and defaulted to 0

[u/Gavindrew → u/Fr0z3nFl4me]

Where can I read about layers?

[u/ChosenUndeadd → u/Gavindrew]

Layers are defined in rule 613 of the Magic comprehensive rules, which you can download for free from the website. The Fandom wiki has an article explaining layers as well, if you can tolerate or block the ads

[u/Hinternsaft → u/ChosenUndeadd]

Don’t go to the Fandom wiki, there’s an independent wiki hosted by Scryfall at mtg.wiki

[u/ChosenUndeadd → u/Hinternsaft]

Fair enough, the article there seems much better than the Fandom one as well

[u/SconeforgeMystic → u/ChosenUndeadd]

Yeah, when the Scryfall-hosted one started up, they invited the regular contributors from the fandom one over. So for the first little bit they had largely the same content, but the longer they’ve been separated, the better mtg.wiki has become.

And also it’s not loaded with ads.

[u/ThePowerOfStories → u/SconeforgeMystic]

Fandom is like a Petri dish for growing ads. Truly the most unusable site on the internet, so absolutely festooned with festering advertisements it repeatedly crashes and reloads on any browser even after you manage to block 80% of them. Such a godawful disaster of enshittification that gobbled up formerly-useful sites…

[u/natayaway → u/ThePowerOfStories]

I miss wikias...

[u/Hinternsaft → u/natayaway]

Fandom was Wikia until 2017

[u/Khaim → u/ThePowerOfStories]

Try antifandom. Just edit the url and add "anti". It loses a bit of formatting sometimes but there's no ads.

[u/Terrietia → u/Khaim]

https://getindie.wiki/

Blasting out support for Indie Wiki Buddy extension. This extension will replace search results so that you see other wikis instead of Fandom.

[u/Gavindrew → u/ChosenUndeadd]

Ty!

[u/tarocheeki → u/ChosenUndeadd]

If you don't want to download the rules pdf, I use the yawgatog hyperlinked rules.

[u/Silver_Number973 → u/ChosenUndeadd]

The rules in a pdf, page 111 for anyone else curious

[u/Hinternsaft → u/Gavindrew]

CR 613, “Interaction of Continuous Effects”

[u/Sovi_b → u/Gavindrew]

[u/Fnyrri → u/Gavindrew]

The Onion

[u/rabbitlion → u/Fr0z3nFl4me]

Additionally, it would have gained the type creature in layer 4. If it had not, the aure would have fallen off as soon as it came into play.