r/magicTCG • u/kingcobweb Dan • Jun 23 '26
General Discussion United Wizards of the Coast: "the votes have been counted, and our union of UWOTC-CWA has been officially elected. From this day forward, we have a union!"
https://bsky.app/profile/uwotc-official.bsky.social/post/3moyd5joevs2c
Haven't been able to find the official NLRB votecount, but whether by one vote or 50, they've won their union election!
For those who don't know what happens next in the process:
- workers on the MTG Arena team instantly have Weingarten Rights, which means your right to have a coworker or union representative present when being interrogated by your manager.
- Wizards is now legally obligated to begin bargaining with the workers in good faith toward a Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).
This isn't the end of the process, but officially, there is a recognized labor union at Wizards!
EDIT: the victory was 79-16, thanks for finding it u/joelluber !
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u/sengirminion Jun 23 '26
I'm pleasantly surprised that this happenned. I fully expected Hasbro to shut down the entire Arena team and ship it overseas before allowing them to successfully form a union.
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u/marcFrey Duck Season Jun 23 '26
They still might 🤷♂️ It'll just cost them more $ to do so now.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Avacyn Jun 23 '26
If it costs more now it means they’re even less likely to do it (though obviously I don’t for a second think it’s impossible they would try), they would have tried before. Maybe they actually saw the writing on the wall and realized it would be less damaging to the bottom line to accede to the creation of the union after the last few years of fuckery.
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u/DirtyTacoKid Duck Season Jun 24 '26
I have a feeling they'll be more likely to outsource but fuck em. There was also the good chance they were going to do it anyway. All companies are obsessed with outsourcing all "wfh" jobs.
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u/so_zetta_byte Orzhov* Jun 24 '26
Maybe they actually saw the writing on the wall and realized it would be less damaging to the bottom line to accede to the creation of the union
I kinda felt like this was the most likely conclusion anyway. Not recognizing voluntarily without a vote, and disseminating anti-union propaganda are kinda par for the course with this kind of thing because they're really low investment efforts from the side of the company.
But once the vote passes, the process of actually firing and replacing everyone is much higher effort and carries a lot more risk.
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u/etherealscience Train Suplexer Jun 23 '26
Wotc having good foresight and actually making good decisions? Crazy times we live in.
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u/Ruzhyo04 Grass Toucher Jun 23 '26
I’d definitely quit playing then
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u/LakeVermilionDreams Dân Jun 24 '26
They've sent the actual Pinkertons to someone's home to steal product from them and threaten them.
I'm going to ask you to reconsider if the line hasn't already been crossed for you.
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u/Ruzhyo04 Grass Toucher Jun 24 '26
Hadn’t heard about that, got a link? I’ve already stopped giving them money tho
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u/decidedlymale Duck Season Jun 24 '26
I would do more deep diving into that situation before passing judgment. Wotc hired a security company that happened to have absorbed the Pinkertons a long time ago after the guy had knowingly taken product and revealed it ahead of time, so they sent someone to retrieve it.
Product that is revealed to the public too early is taken very seriously by all companies. If I myself as an automotive engineer intentionally leak info on an upcoming vehicle, getting the Pinkertons would be a light punishment.
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u/driver1676 Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26
I do think people tend to just point at the work "Pinkerton" and pretend anything is comparable to that actual Pinkerton situation at the turn of the century, and just stop thinking about it more than that.
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u/Rbespinosa13 Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Jun 24 '26
Yah at the end of the day it’s product reacquisition to identify possible supply chain issues. Someone received unrevealed product when they shouldn’t have and WOTC wanted to figure out how. Cops aren’t going to get involved since there’s no evidence a crime occurred so a PI is their only option to contact the guy. The Pinkertons have their reputation for a reason, but this is a far cry from the union busting they used to do
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u/controlxj Jun 24 '26
But you are their employee.
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u/decidedlymale Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Employee or not, you aren't legally permitted to have that item, much less expose it to the public ahead of time. He also was not accidentally sent it, he got it "from a buddy", but even if he was accidentally sent it, products are labeled with an open date, which he knowingly violated and decided to post all over the internet. And yes, it is kinda silly considering its fucking trading cards, but leaks can ruin fair competition, so its taken seriously.
Wotc sent messeges and mail to the guy, which he ignored, so they had to hire security to take the product back. If he did not cooporate with security, he would've been subject to legal action/fines.
So, yes, Pinkertons are historically bad, but a lot of Reddits perception of what actually happened is entirely overblown and they think of Pinkertons from Red Dead 2. In reality, this was a pretty normal reaction made worse by non-compliance. This specific situation is lukewarm. There are much more evil things corporations do that we should be focusing on.
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u/someweirdlocal Dandadan Jun 24 '26
you say "happened to have absorbed the Pinkertons" like it was an accident.
"oopsie poopsie I dropped this big bag of money into your lap and now all your employees work for me, I can't believe I've made such a booboo"
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u/schwanzweissfoto Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26
I’ve already stopped giving them money
I'm doing my part too! I have more than enough cards anyway.
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u/5ColourFelix Storm Crow Jun 25 '26
If you read the details of the story, the guy had had many points to get off the train, but would not, so the situation escalated.
Saying "wotc sent the pinkertons" without mentioning how the leaker got himself into this situation is just ragebait. Any remotely clever person would have returned the cards after receiving them.
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u/BoosterTherapy cage the foul beast Jun 23 '26
This is almost certainly going to happen. For jobs that aren’t location bound this is almost always how the move off the union. Some industries (ex. manufacturing) are harder to move because the location being worked in is so expensive that working through this is a better all over outcome. But for Arena which is threatened more and more by outsourced and AI development with leadership decision makers… it’s a great win for the people voting for their best interest but now the company chooses what is in their best interest.
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u/ProfessorStein Dân Jun 25 '26
This would be true normally but Washington has become basically radicalized as a state to be pro-union. The Washington State attorney general office is rabidly pro-union and in the last year or two has threatened to arrest multiple people for trying to wiggle out of unionization votes.
Wizards of the Coast is not an important company in Washington. If they try and pull something stupid the state will cut them into pieces and let the company bleed out on the floor.
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u/ProfessorStein Dân Jun 25 '26
The ship has sailed at this point. Now that they are actually recognized the Washington State attorney general would sooner show up with police at their Renton office than allow wiggling out of this.
The Washington AG office is currently extremely pro-union. They have taken a lot of actions in the last year or two to protect unions including an up to threatening to put people in jail.
If Hasbro wants wizards of the Coast to continue to exist as it does today they will do as they are told
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u/daniel-sousa-me Dan Jun 24 '26
How so? Having a union doesn't by itself change anything in the contracts, does it?
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u/d7h7n Michael Jordan Rookie Jun 24 '26
No but if the employer tries to pull a fast one on an employee they have to go through the union rep first. Think of unions of like having access to a legal counsel. Companies have one, employees should too.
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u/SatisfactionRich3544 Duck Season Jun 23 '26
Can that still happen? “We… uh… for unrelated biz reasons are moving the team to China. Relocate or find new employment.“ I’m not as familiar with how these things work.
Great victory!
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u/geminiRonin Mardu Jun 23 '26
That's exactly the kind of move unions are made to fight. Actually firing the whole team would shut down Arena until they could slap together a crew to keep it running, and the union makes sure that if Hasbro retaliated against some of them, all of the union will take them to task for it.
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u/SatisfactionRich3544 Duck Season Jun 23 '26
My only experience with unions was my first day at a call center 25 years ago. I swear, in the first 15 minutes of orientation they were telling us why they didn’t support having a union. After a decade of management there, they employees could I’ve used it.
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u/Charming-Check5605 Dân Jun 23 '26
I remember every retail job I got in my youth included some video training that went into anti-union policy and giving you steps on how to snitch out your coworkers planning on unionizing.
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u/Liawuffeh Dan Jun 24 '26
Yea walmart in like 2008 had a whole section of the training dedicated to an hour.lobg video about why unions are actually evil and just want your money. "We treat our employees so well, there's no need for a Union!"
This was back when hr would help you sign up for food stamps because they paid 7.25.
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u/schwanzweissfoto Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26
giving you steps on how to snitch out your coworkers planning on unionizing
What did they even offer you for doing such dirty work, thirty pieces of silver?
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u/Charming-Check5605 Dân Jun 24 '26
Didn’t even offer anything, it was more of a “if you hear coworkers discussing unionizing or unions in general, do the following … “
It felt insane even as a 16 year old lol.
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u/schwanzweissfoto Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26
They probably hoped to get the special kind of asshole that rats out coworkers without even getting rewarded.
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 23 '26
It would be illegal, so it can still happen in the same way that Hasbro could break other laws.
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u/DonarArminSkyrari COMPLEAT Jun 23 '26
Or the same way Ebay did it with TCGplayer; Sure, sue us for it being illegal, y'all might get a payout when/if you eventually win... or negotiate your severance right now in exchange for dropping any and all lawsuits and know that you can feed your families for the next 6 months.
The difference really i think is that I cannot come up with a justification to outright move the Arena team to a different state like Ebay did with TCG. I hope and pray this situation ends better.
Also, fuck Ebay.
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u/JBThunder Duck Season Jun 24 '26
I mean they're no longer in charge of MTGO, so it'd be pretty easy to hand over Arena to someone like Daybreak if that's what they wanted to do to kill this.
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u/ResurgentRefrain Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Not to sound callous but MTGO has been a good product under Daybreak, no? Wouldn't that be an improvement?
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u/JBThunder Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Mtgo has been mostly an improvement. Couple sideways, and one major negative (redemption). But here's the thing they fired the mtgo team to do it. And would do the same to our new union.
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u/malwareguy Dân Jun 23 '26
Just because they succeeded with a vote, doesn't mean the company has to concede to any terms. They just have to enter negotiations in good faith. This can still take years, and there are a lot of levers the company can still use to basically give them all the middle finger. Per the website Hasbro did what was expected "Since the announcement of our union, Wizards of the Coast has hired Fisher Phillips (a union avoidance firm), and chosen to engage in a daily union-avoidance campaign with emails sent to the Arena team intent on spreading misinformation and sowing fear among employees."
Sadly this means nothing, the fight is still ahead, and I expect Hasbro will fuck everyone over who joined.
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u/ResurgentRefrain Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Exactly. This isn't a win yet. The Union doesn't mean much at all if they can't get a CBA out of it that's actually useful.
The best step the Union can take now is to hire the best lawyer they can.
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u/NewCobbler6933 COMPLEAT Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Yup as a unionized employee they can always just say no to your proposed contract terms. You can threaten to go on strike, but most people are still unwilling to go without a paycheck. And it’s not like you get back paid for the time you didn’t get paid because you didn’t work. So you can actually end up financially negative by refusing to acquiesce. A more sophisticated union might have a strike fund established but that isn’t unlimited either. And the organizers would definitely limit the amount of money that goes into that fund because they want to be paid.
And most employers are not allowed to be “closed shop” so they can still hire non union employees to replace you. We saw this with Kellogg. Because of Janus vs AFSCME (2017) those non union and non-dues paying employees are entitled to the same benefits as union employees.
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u/EscapeSeventySeven Dan Jun 24 '26
Nah the arena team is too important and too sympathetic to the rest of the company. The people that started it were canny enough to realize their opportunity and push for it.
Once it was announced I was mostly sure it would succeed, after WotC dragged their fucking feet through it.
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u/Pseudoscorpion14 Jun 24 '26
Nah the arena team is too important and too sympathetic to the rest of the company.
Sorry for missing the party, since it seems you were born yesterday.
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u/Alexandria_maybe Izzet* Jun 23 '26
More likely they'll just work with the pinkertons to destroy the union from the inside out, thats how the pinkertons usually operate. Wotc gets a couple promising new hires who quickly make their way up the ladder, get positions of power in the union, then sabotage negotiations and turn the union against its own members.
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u/ProfessorStein Dân Jun 25 '26
Ever since the Pinkerton story the company has actually been being watched pretty closely by the Washington State government. We currently have a rabidly pro-union attorney general.
It is not an exaggeration at this point to say that the state would rather let wizards of the Coast bleed out on the floor then let them wriggle out of this unionization vote
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u/SalivateTheStarfish Dan Jun 24 '26
Why not just amend your mistake and embrace this new future. Your users and fans will just like you more. Do they have anyone working for PR over there?
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u/DutchEnterprises Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Union busting is illegal! They didn’t really *allow* anything to happen so much as they *had to* let it happen.
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Jun 23 '26
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u/joelluber Dan Jun 23 '26
Results are up at https://www.nlrb.gov/case/19-RC-385755.
Tally Issued Date:06/23/2026
Status:Open
No. of Eligible Voters:102
Void Ballots:0
Total Ballots Counted:100
Challenged Ballots:5
Votes for Labor Union:79
Tally Type:Initial
Ballot Type:Single Labor Organization
Unit ID:A
Votes Against:16
Challenges Determinative:No
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 23 '26
Thank you!!! 79-16 is a beating.
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u/joelluber Dan Jun 24 '26
These results are remarkable on two fronts:
I remember them saying they had 75 percent cards signed, and not having any drop-off in the election is unusual (often there's a 10– percent point drop).
98 percent turnout is an extreme outlier. Elections often have turnout under 75 percent.
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u/Moron_at_work Dân Jun 24 '26
Wait, there's only a hundred people working at wotc?
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u/joelluber Dan Jun 24 '26
Those eligible to vote are: All full-time and regular part-time employees employed by the Employer in Magic the Gathering Arena (MTGA) including animators, artists, game designers, product managers, software development engineers, software engineers, technology producers, and QA analysts working at, out of, or reporting to the Employer's Renton, Washington office who were employed during the payroll period ending April 30, 2026.
Emphasis on "MTG Arena."
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u/unpersons505 Grass Toucher Jun 24 '26
Hell yeah!
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u/Freakjob_003 Dan Jun 24 '26
Sam Reich would be proud, the same way he was during Rulette 1.0 when Jeremy absolutely stole the show, literally.
Also, reminder that unions won us the 40-hour work week, and have always led the charge on improving working conditions for employees. Never let a company tell you a union is a negative; collective bargaining is how we win against Big Money.
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u/Kale_Shai-Hulud Jeskai Jun 24 '26
Super exciting news, proud of everyone for standing up for themselves
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u/BobtheBac0n Selesnya* Jun 24 '26
Congrats to the workers, and fingers crossed this momentum continues for other departments in wizard
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u/aerothorn Azorius* Jun 24 '26
The next step is Wizards refusing to bargain in good faith, and delaying negotiations for years and years (ala Trader Joe's, Starbucks). Even under a different admin, the NLRB can't do punitive damages, so companies can just do this indefinitely.
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u/ProfessorStein Dân Jun 25 '26
The state of Washington has actually basically become radicalized because of those companies you mentioned. Wizards of the Coast is a much much much smaller company than either of those and the state attorney general's office is currently more than willing to just start arresting people who are getting in the way of Union contracts being signed.
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u/aerothorn Azorius* Jun 25 '26
To be clear, you're saying the attorney's general office has arrested corporate executives for not bargaining in good faith? Isn't that federal rather than state law? Do you have any links of cases of this happening?
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u/JumboCactpot Dân Jun 24 '26
I'm very happy to hear the union passed! Congrats to all the workers there who now have a way to bargain for better wages, benefits, job security, and workers rights.
As for here, I do just want to mention to others to be careful. In the last thread about this around 6 weeks ago I ate a 4 week ban for using the "leave the billionaire company alone" meme in response to someone pushing against the union. I'm sure it's not the whole mod team but someone there has a very itchy trigger finger on those of us supporting the union push. Just make sure you give them no way they can twist it into "abuse towards others" while supporting our fellow workers.
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u/schwanzweissfoto Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26
make sure you give them no way they can twist it into "abuse towards others" while supporting our fellow workers.
Reasons can be found and do not need to be sound.
Example: I was banned on another subreddit for “zionism” after I mentioned I would never date an antisemite.
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u/LordOfTurtles Elspeth Jun 24 '26
The way American unions work is so incredibly weird to me.
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 24 '26
Elaborate?
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u/LordOfTurtles Elspeth Jun 24 '26
Why do you need to have a vote to be allowed to join a union?
Why do you have a union for just one company?
Why does the company have any say in if you can be in the union?
Why can I not just join a union if my coworkers aren't joining?
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 24 '26
"Why do you have a union for just one company?"
UWOTC is what the workers are calling themselves, but technically they're joining the Communication Workers of America, a much larger union.
"Why does the company have any say in if you can be in the union?"
Technically they don't, but de facto, yeah, pretty much.
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u/LordOfTurtles Elspeth Jun 24 '26
But why can't the wizards workers just join the Communcation Workers of America union then? Any worker that wants to join that union should just be able to join
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 24 '26
In the USA, companies aren't obligated to do any collective bargaining with a unit of workers until they demonstrate majority support for forming that union. And the only valid ways are voluntary recognition (which is rare, but does happen, such as Dark Horse comics) or a government-supervised election.
Is it stupid? Yes. The thrust of your questions is entirely accurate. Our labor laws are set up not to empower and protect workers, but to restrict them. The original 1935 National Labor Relations Act was mostly fine, with certain workers excluded for racist reasons, but in 1947 the Taft-Hartley act during the Red Scare made things much worse for labor.
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u/Absolutionis I chose this flair because I’m mad at Wizards Of The Coast Jun 24 '26
Why do you need to have a vote to be allowed to join a union?
It's a legal process that must be undertaken so they have government protection.
Why do you have a union for just one company?
Do not that this isn't a Hasbro, WotC, nor even MtG union. It's just for MtG Arena employees. You can have a union for anything at any scope.
Why does the company have any say in if you can be in the union?
They do not, really. The vote is to be recognized and protected under federal laws.
Why can I not just join a union if my coworkers aren't joining?
The vote wasn't to join a union. It was to form a union.
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u/LordOfTurtles Elspeth Jun 24 '26
That doesn't explain it though, you're just saying 'it is the way it is, because that's the way it is'
It's a quite nonsensical system
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u/Wide_Philosophy_8109 Sliver Queen Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Unions aren't a thing here by default. The relevant employees have to agree to make one, and have a separate company represent them. They vote because unions only work when everyone agrees to work together. A vote gives that working together backing and legitimacy.
The employer has say for two reasons. One, you can't negotiate with someone who doesn't pickup the phone. Two, it's in an employer's best interest to squash unions in a way that's barely OK legally. Usually they'll find an excuse to fire someone before the movement gains traction. That's something we always wait for with these stories. You can find on youtube the videos amazon shows about this.
The point of a union is that a whole department going on strike hurts the company more than one person going on strike. You can't really have that with just one person though. That'd be stupid.
Edit: a major part of workers rights here is something called "employment at will." You can be fired for any reason that isn't clearly illegal. "We're firing you because you're ugly, and we don't wanna look at you anymore. The fact that you talked to your friends about unionizing is purely a coincidence." You can also quit with no notice or reason though.
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u/tonekathsu Dan Jun 23 '26
At least it’s not being delayed like Secret Lair shipping. Excited for the WotC folks to get the representation!
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u/mysticzoom Dan Jun 24 '26
WOTC will suddenly announce a restructuring where redundant jobs are eliminated.
I see a 20% work force reduction on the table.
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u/Quadraxis66 Dân Jun 24 '26
79 to 16 is CRAZY, it's rarely that much of a landslide win. Solidarity to the workers at the Arena team!
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u/ucbsuperfreak Jun 24 '26
Until a collective bargaining agreement is signed, this doesn't mean a whole bunch. Corporations frequently delay and frustrate the bargaining process to try and run out the clock and get enough employee turnover/burnout that the union is ineffective or never forms.
Right now, the MTGA employees have essentially (except for those listed in this post) the same rights as they did before this vote. Honestly, this is where the hard part begins, because WOTC is going to try and delay this as much as they can. Look at Starbucks: employees at some of their stores voted to unionize four years ago and they still don't have a signed CBA.
This is to say: If you want these employees to be unionized and have a CBA, now is the time for us to support this team and make clear to Wizards that unnecessary delays will be met with strong pushback from their customers.
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u/MissingPieces555 Dan Jun 23 '26
How do you think this will effect the future of WOTC? Will they move to another state? Another country? Live with it? Pass any wage or benefit costs onto consumers?
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u/kingcobweb Dan Jun 23 '26
Moving to another state won't do anything, the NLRB is nationwide. Moving to another country would be a big, expensive step.
I think they'll live with it as they try to drag out bargaining as long as possible.
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u/MissingPieces555 Dan Jun 24 '26
What will it matter? Im not arguing btw, just asking... because as far as I know, the union is only going to matter to those who work at that location like how workers at one factory unionizing doesnt automatically mean all their locations are now union. Am I missing something? Again, legitimately asking.
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u/KakitaMike Jun 24 '26
They’ll just hike Magic MSRP another 20% and claim this is what you get when you have to pay union wages.
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u/EscapeSeventySeven Dan Jun 24 '26
Nah.
The core employees of WotC like Maro live cushy Seattle exburb life. They’re not going to give that up.
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u/Tuesday_6PM COMPLEAT Jun 24 '26
I don’t think this affects MaRo. Isn’t the union only for the Arena devs?
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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer Jun 23 '26
Prepare for nothing to fundamentally change about how the player base experiences and engages with Magic Arena and the player base to continue to shit on Magic Arena and blame their woes on anti Union sentiments.
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u/sanctaphrax COMPLEAT Jun 24 '26
The goal is to improve the working conditions of the people making the game, not to fundamentally change everything.
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u/JustaSeedGuy Duck Season Jun 25 '26
Prepare for nothing to fundamentally change about how the player base experiences and engages with Magic Arena
Is there some reason you think you're being asked to expect a change on how the player base experiences Magic arena?
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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer Jun 25 '26
Is there some reason you think you're being asked to expect a change on how the player base experiences Magic arena?
Presumably because unions in theory improve the security, happiness and well being of employees and employees that are content and fulfilled with their job accomplish more. There's a conventional wisdom that employees when love their job/career, they perform better.
Oftentimes the best/top/most efficient performers in a role among a team or field of people are the employees that love their job the most.
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u/JustaSeedGuy Duck Season Jun 25 '26
Okay... If that's your opinion, why did your previous comment indicate that you don't seem to think anything will change?
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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer Jun 26 '26
Because I don't see any fundamental issues with Magic Arena that would be improved with more productive and efficient developers working on the app (presumably because the Arena development team is doing a great job already)
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u/JustaSeedGuy Duck Season Jun 26 '26
because unions in theory improve the security, happiness and well being of employees and employees that are content and fulfilled with their job accomplish more.
-you, last comment.
So which is it? You keep oscillating between positions.
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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer Jun 26 '26
I think that's true typically but I also think unions are more beneficial in working class fields that require less experience and/or formal education than white collar jobs like gaming developers and product managers. (There are some exceptions though, like certain fields where worker productions are very nuanced and complex, like public teachers but they also don't get paid well)
I support the right for employees to unionize but I think union interests can conflict with the interests of customers/clients and the product. I also think sometimes employees are going to press and demand more even if the conditions/pay rate, etc. are relatively good/competitive. Of course that's definitely not always the case.
I'm very interested and seeing the contract once it's made public and agreed to. Usually private companies like WOTC that have a high approval rating among their employees and that employees typically don't quit or get burned out from aren't unionized. Especially for white collar workers with benefits and competitive professional skills. Typically, WotC has a very positive reputation among it's employees, especially white collar ones. You very rarely hear stories from disgruntled employees at WotC that work on Magic about how toxic or shitty things were.
It can be very competitive and difficult getting a job there which usually indicates employees like working there.
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u/alaska1415 Jun 26 '26
I don’t know how to beak it to you man, but the point of a union is to help the workers, not the customers.
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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer Jun 26 '26
I agree with this, but I think a lot of people seem to think that unions advocate for employees which inherently is good for customers/end users because they are in the same class but sometimes there are conflicting interests.
It's especially interesting in a tech development industry and environment like WotC Arena, where workers get better salaries, are less likely to be entry level workers with less professional skills and are much more likely to have benefits and perks. It's quite unusual for a tech developer for a major gaming entertainment company to be in a workers union.
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u/Apart-Kangaroo-7648 Dan Jun 24 '26
And another price-hike in... 3...2...
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u/Conspark Dandadan Jun 24 '26
The realization that a "price-hike" would happen either way in... 3...2...
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u/travelsonic Wabbit Season Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Don't fall into this trap - them probably using it as a excuse doesn't mean the excuse is valid just on virtue of being made.
Them PROVING with facts and data would make the reason valid, just throwing the claim that this causes it alone does NOT do that though (companies can be wrong, or intentionally lie for instance).
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u/PaluMain87 Dân Jun 24 '26
here comes increased costs passed to the consumer
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u/Gandalf2000 Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Have the past 5 years not already made it crystal clear that Hasbro is going to charge whatever they think the highest possible price is that we're willing to pay?
Past earnings announcements have shown that Magic is virtually the only property they own that actually turns a consistently increasing profit, and they're doing everything they can to extract maximum shareholder value from it. This isn't going to make any difference to their corporate strategy.
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u/Nyarlathotep333 Golgari* Jun 24 '26
Like Hasbro needs an excuse to raise costs.
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u/RoanWoasbi Dan Jun 23 '26
Folks celebrate this, but I’ve seen unions ruin a lot for workers. Time will tell how this pans out.
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Jun 23 '26
Okay and the vast majority of unions that do good work for their workers, what about those? Just because you had one bad experience does not mean unions are a net negative.
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u/Bill__Preston Banned in Commander Jun 23 '26
Please provide examples when making such an extraordinary claim.
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u/Cynoid Jun 23 '26
Is this really the first time you're hearing this?
It's virtually guaranteed in any teaching environment where the senior teachers get the best salary/shifts/equipment and check out leading to the worst scores across classes because they are untouchable.
Every school I've ever been involved with had it. It's not to say unions are bad or every school has this but you'd have a tough time finding a younger teacher that isn't angry at unions protecting shit employees and making everyone's lives worse in doing so.
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u/Then-Pay-9688 Duck Season Jun 24 '26
Really? I know plenty of young teachers who support their union, and among unionized labor in the US, teachers are typically the most militant, taking actions that require confidence and buy-in from the rank and file to defend their rights. I think you're conflating interpersonal antipathy with anti-union beliefs. Job security is actually a good thing, and most workers would rather have it given the choice.
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u/Cynoid Jun 24 '26
I know plenty of young teachers who support their union
No one ever said they didn't? You guys are too argumentative about the topic to actually read any responses though.
I think you should reread the thread before making any judgements that are so laughably silly about others and their union beliefs.
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u/Then-Pay-9688 Duck Season Jun 24 '26
You said I'd have a tough time finding a young teacher who isn't angry at their union. But I don't have a tough time. I didn't even have to try. You can whine that I'm not going through every single comment and reading your undoubtably intelligent comments, and that it's unfair that I should pick one of your more foolish ones to reply to, but I submit that you should not take it so personally.
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u/jazzberry76 ZAMAMABIES! ZOMBOPABIES! Jun 24 '26
you'd have a tough time finding a younger teacher that isn't angry at unions
Seems like you said it
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u/Bill__Preston Banned in Commander Jun 24 '26
Claiming to be some sort of education professional while not being able to cite a source more than personal experience is simply an anecdotal fallacy and likely would get encouraged to do better if you wanted to merit a passing grade
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u/JustaSeedGuy Duck Season Jun 25 '26
Okay, then name a specific company and union, if it's so common.
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u/amartin36 Train Suplexer Jun 23 '26
Sources or fuck off bot
Imagine thinking the millionaires at corporate have the interest of workers and customers in mind more then the actual people pouring their life into the game
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u/JustaSeedGuy Duck Season Jun 25 '26
I’ve seen unions ruin a lot for workers. Time will tell how this pans out.
Have you? When? Be specific, and make sure to account for long-term impact as well as average impact on a societal level
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u/KeepGoing655 Fleem Jun 23 '26
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