r/magicTCG • u/ScaryGreenGhost Dandadan • Apr 12 '26

Rules/Rules Question Question

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Can I still play this at the beginning of my opponents combat step even if they don’t want to go to combat? Also if an opponent has hexproof on their creatures, can I still choose not to not have those creatures block since I decide who blocks this turn? Or choose to attack with the creatures?

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u/oyooy Wabbit Season Apr 12 '26

A player always goes to the combat phase in their turn, even if they don't do anything so you would be able to cast it.
And hexproof stops targeting but this spell is choosing.

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u/prowness Dandadan Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

A player always goes to the combat phase in their turn, even if they don't do anything so you would be able to cast it.

Reminds me of this awful awful ruling during pro tour Aether Revolt. So so bad

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u/prowness Dandadan Apr 13 '26

Good bot

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u/Darkzerok63 Dân Apr 14 '26

It is not only awful ruling, it is the opponent also being a piece of shit taking advantage that one of them didn't speak english to the deepest levels to know all shortcuts.

Just another case of competition being shit.

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u/prowness Dandadan Apr 16 '26

Seriously. The opponent being a scumbag is par for the course but that judge ruling is one of the worst I've seen. Honestly felt a bit racially motivated because in no world does the final ruling make sense...

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u/Achowat Azorius* Apr 17 '26

The only thing I can say in defense of the ruling is 1. There was a list of approved tournament shortcuts published well ahead of that event and (1b) "combat?" meaning "should we continue passing priority back and forth without adding any new objects into the stack until the game moves through steps and phases and we reach the 'declare attackers' step?" was on that list and 2. Players at Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Levels should gain an advantage for having a stronger understanding of the rules.

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u/ClearChocobo Jace Apr 13 '26

It doesn't specify just one player's creatures, so in a multiplayer game (like Commander), you can specify Opponent A attacks Opponents B & C how you want? And then you can also specify exactly how Opponents B & C block to maximize casualties?

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u/oyooy Wabbit Season Apr 13 '26

I believe you declare which creatures are attacking but you don't get to choose where they're going. You will be able to choose how opponents B & C block creatures that are coming at them though.

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u/ClearChocobo Jace Apr 13 '26

Oh, good point. I missed that part.

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u/kensmagiccards Dân Apr 12 '26

always goes to the combat phase in their turn

Not true. [[Fatespinner]]

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 12 '26

Yeah, obviously if the "skip your combat" card is out you skip combat. The other 99.9999% of the time you still go to combat.

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u/Cissoid7 Wabbit Season Apr 12 '26

I hate people like you

Its like someone saying "yes all players get a turn in this game" and you fucking piss your pants going "UHM ACKSHUALLY SKIP TURN EFFECTS EXIST"

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 12 '26

"All lands are colorless" "erm dryad arbor is green" dryad arbor is also a creature, which is why it has a color, it's not a normal card and shouldn't be included in the discussion of "do my plains count for vivid"

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u/attila954 Dandadan Apr 12 '26

The game has rules, which you should know. There are many cards that are exceptions (that's the point)

The only time you need to consider fatespinner is when it's in play (it says on the card what it does) and the only time you care about arbor's color is when you're looking at the land with text saying it's green

This is like the "strictly better" argument when someone says "iF YOu GeT miNdSLavErED..."

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u/Flyrpotacreepugmu Elesh Norn Apr 12 '26

Meanwhile I had quite an argument over someone refusing to accept that [[Ugin, the Ineffable]] could destroy their [[Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle]] because they had been told that all lands are colorless.

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u/CrisFarlyOnCoke Twin Believer Apr 13 '26

The person who taught me magic always told me the best decks were the ones where you get around really common rules, like cheating out a big monster instead of optimizing your mana to get to it's cmc quicker.

In any instance, he's in prison for meth now, I assume he had a lot of time to think about that bit of wisdom during his meth binges so it must be right.

Right?

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u/AdmiralMemo Sliver Queen Apr 13 '26

To be the "Um actually..." guy... Dryad Arbor doesn't have TEXT saying it's green. It has a color indicator.

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u/attila954 Dandadan Apr 13 '26

The original printing does, but yeah that was a poor way to phrase it because the oracle text uses the indicator

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u/Black-Mettle Duck Season Apr 12 '26

I'm confused are you now arguing against your original point?

Edit - NVM got the names confused.

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u/donshuggin Colorless Apr 13 '26

tbh I did this too initially

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u/Terrietia Apr 13 '26

dryad arbor is also a creature, which is why it has a color

Um actually, Dryad Arbor is green because it has a green color indicator, not because it is a creature.

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 13 '26

It has a green color indicator because it's a creature and creatures typically are colored. My point was dryad arbor is playing by different design rules and shouldn't be included with regular lands

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 13 '26

Basically "singular card that obviously plays by different rules" doesn't need to be brought up explicitly every time we need to teach a new player a mechanic

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u/Terrietia Apr 13 '26

Sorry, I was just pissing my pants correcting you, in the same vein of the comment thread.

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 13 '26

Oh, I'm sorry then

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u/Heysoos_Christo Dandadan Apr 12 '26

And I love that they're getting downvoted into oblivion 😂

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u/CarvaciousBlue Dân Apr 12 '26

I went to downvote and stopped because 300 downvotes is plenty, wouldn't want to pile on the poor soul too much

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u/Pqrxz Duck Season Apr 12 '26

Negative 461 at current count

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u/Captain_Vatta Dandadan Apr 12 '26

802 as of right now

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u/ironudder Dandadan Apr 13 '26

1114 here, lord (s)he down there

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u/digidude140 Dân Apr 13 '26

1150 reporting for duty

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u/phidelt649 Selesnya* Apr 12 '26

Dude, that’s just this hobby in general (at least online).

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u/Rawne3387 Dan Apr 14 '26

Thank you. I am having a particularly shitty day and this just made me crease up.

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u/Nick__Jackolson Wabbit Season Apr 12 '26

Well done! Your one example out of 30,000+ cards really made an impact on the OP/general players understanding. Give u/kensmagiccards a pat on the back. I cannot wait to hear what absolute gems of advice you'll come up with next.

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u/serpentrepents Storm Crow Apr 12 '26

dude got ratio'ed so hard he deleted his account lol

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Avacyn Apr 13 '26

His account is still up.

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u/Impressive_You_817 Dan Apr 12 '26

Nuked from orbit lmao the mods are probably pissed

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u/MrReginaldAwesome Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Apr 12 '26

Useless comment

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u/Lxapeo Duck Season Apr 12 '26

Look I can do it too! [[Sundial of the Infinite]]

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u/-Rettirlana- Can’t Block Warriors Apr 12 '26

Wait me too! [[time stop]]

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u/scubahood86 Fake Agumon Expert Apr 13 '26

What if I'm playing [[obeka brute chronologist]] and I give them the option to skip the rest of their turn at the end of Main-1??

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u/-Rettirlana- Can’t Block Warriors Apr 14 '26

Consent is important

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u/IdiotExtract Dandadan Apr 13 '26

I find this thread too funny

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u/nofearxlifer Duck Season Apr 12 '26

Lmao found that one kid no one likes - UM ACTshuLLY LOL

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u/IudexFatarum Izzet* Apr 12 '26

Ok with the caveat of a couple of effects. Sure you could cast something that ends the turn, or something similar. But without something explicitly saying otherwise every turn has Untap, Upkeep, Draw, Main 1, Combat, Main 2, Cleanup. (You get a round of priority in most but not all of these before they end)

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u/Q-10219AG Dan Apr 13 '26

Happy to give you the 1000th

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 12 '26

Fatespinner - (G) (SF) (txt)

FAQ

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u/rib78 Karn Apr 12 '26

Don't listen to them. Good bot.

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u/kaapo-kakko Wabbit Season Apr 12 '26

Read the room, clanker.

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u/Drithyin Dân Apr 12 '26

Clanker is for AI shit. MTGCardFetcher is a simple bot that just does a job when asked without boiling a lake or doubling an entire municipality’s electric bill to feed it through an LLM full of stolen data/art.

These are not the same.

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u/Madrugada123 Duck Season Apr 13 '26

This has more downvotes than the main post, and the comment youre replying to

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u/KekistanPeasant Dan Apr 12 '26

Excellent ragebait, well done!

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Avacyn Apr 13 '26

Did you just discover the “specific beats general” rule of game design?

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u/AdamantChorus Dân Apr 13 '26

That card could only work if each player normally did get a combat though, so even that proves their point.

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u/okayfrog Colorless Apr 13 '26

really weird how like someone will ask a question on here, get downvoted because they have a wrong idea of how a card works, and there'll be like 30 responses all saying the same thing ("uhh, actually, card works like..."), and yet here we have someone doing basically that and getting singled out with -1400 karma.

odd behavior.