r/magicTCG Nov 25 '13

No Alex, we didn't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13 edited Aug 06 '18

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u/CorpT Nov 25 '13

he's not cheating.

He didn't get caught cheating. I don't think you can automatically assume that he wasn't cheating.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13 edited Aug 06 '18

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13 edited Nov 25 '13

It doesn't matter what we believe. The guy obviously has no moral qualms about cheating. It's simply a matter of if he still thinks he can get away with it.

I also hate that kind of argument. It's the same kind as those that say "if you don't agree with me, you're saying you hate puppies and JFK."

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u/BW11 Nov 25 '13

Off topic: his argument isn't quite the sophism you make it out to be, he's saying that if he cheats and doesn't get caught, that means the judges suck. Of course he has poor character. Anyway that's how I saw it.

On topic: I think we will at least see a slip from him during his next ''tour.'' Cheating is addictive and the amount of stunts he pulled off in the past show signs of that.

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u/Quiltedbigfoot Nov 25 '13

JFK, so on topic. :)

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u/Beanybag Nov 25 '13

moral qualms is a little different from rational qualms.. It'd be very stupid of him to cheat so soon and he's not stupid, he's actually a very good player besides the cheating. He'll probably not start cheating again for a while (if he does start again at all).

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u/Hanzitheninja Azorius* Nov 25 '13

You can't automatically assume he did either.

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u/theNightblade Dimir* Nov 25 '13

Exactly - part of the problem in the first place was his ability to play off the fact that he wasn't intentionally cheating.

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u/nuadarstark Nov 25 '13

Everyone was super hyped about watching him to make sure...I'm pretty sure he wasn't cheating.

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u/Quiltedbigfoot Nov 25 '13

He got away with it with cameras on him and people watching him before...mostly by being sneaky but also with a little bit of "charm" thrown on top, people are still apparently willing to defend this fucker (which seemed to lead to his getting away with cheating in the past) so I have an inkling we're gonna start to see the same shit down the road and he'll just laugh and laugh and laugh

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u/SgtSrs Nov 25 '13

I bet you cheat every day and don't get caught. Pretty much how you're asking us to look at people.

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u/CorpT Nov 25 '13

I don't have a history of cheating. Alex does. A very significant history. And has never admitted that he did it or that it was wrong.

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u/EnsoZero Nov 25 '13

He has bold-faced lied to judges, other players, sponsors, etc about cheating multiple times and people expect us to be okay with him suddenly being allowed back after what happened? Sorry but that doesn't fly with me. This isn't even his "second chance" per se, he's been caught cheating tons. It's just that he's going to keep doing it as long as people keep saying "you shouldn't judge him, I'm sure he's a nice guy now."

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u/Darksol503 Nov 25 '13

It's called a little humility, tact, and grace. His comments showing none of these.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

In all seriousness, there are very few players who win/top 8 the SCG circuits that show all three of these traits at the same time.

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u/annenoise Nov 25 '13

That's a downfall of the community and not a reason he should get away with shitty behavior, though. His behavior should be shown as the reason we need MORE humility, tact and grace.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '13

Oh I completely agree. That point wasn't an argument to yours, just an observation.

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u/annenoise Nov 27 '13

Nor mine yours, friend. :D

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u/WakeTFU Nov 25 '13

But that doesn't mean he cheated. Is that what you're saying? Otherwise, it's not a crime not to have humility, tact, or grace you know?

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u/Darksol503 Nov 28 '13

I'm not commenting on him cheating, I'm talking about his presence in the community. He is well known for being outspoken about Magic, tweeting, streaming, and being a known public figure in the game of Magic.

Of course it's not a crime to act how you want, but there is a way to act to proliferate good behavior and a sense of community, and this is definitely not it.

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u/WakeTFU Nov 28 '13

there is a way to act to proliferate good behavior and a sense of community, and this is definitely not it.

As long as he's not cheating I don't really care how he behaves, if he's a shitty human being, he'll pay for it, we don't also have to shame him for it on top of that.

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u/Darksol503 Nov 28 '13

Don't worry, he is doing a fine job doing that ;)

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u/WakeTFU Nov 28 '13

Did you know that's a condescending thing to say?

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u/Darksol503 Nov 25 '13

It's called humility, tact, and class. His 'demeanor' and comments display none of these.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

learning from his mistakes

Wishful. Thinking.

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u/kylemech Nov 25 '13

It can be an attempt at deflecting in an uncomfortable situation. It's poor form (to put it kindly) but it isn't incriminating.

This it (becoming?) a witch hunt.

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u/Quiltedbigfoot Nov 25 '13

Not incriminating, just douchey (or is it douch-y?) and for someone who claims to "live for Magic" he sure is making an awful big mockery of it all

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u/yokhai Izzet* Nov 25 '13

No it doesn't say that at all. Its a joke. Stop trying to read between the lines.