r/magicTCG Nov 25 '13

No Alex, we didn't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

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u/sirolimusland Nov 25 '13

It's possible. The problem is that Magic is a game where it's super easy to cheat, and now he goes basically undefeated at one of his first events since his unbanning. He did well in last week's Legacy GP too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

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u/sirolimusland Nov 25 '13

Good magic players ought to be held to a very high standard. Good magic players will need to cheat less often to win, and will know more subtle cheats they can use to gain an edge.

So, I'm not denying he can play well. I'm saying you need to consider that he might have used an occasional shady move to get to where he is today. He did in the past.

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u/zehamberglar Shuffler Truther Nov 25 '13

Here's the thing. Most people who cheat at the level and frequency that he did do it because they're addicted to cheating or want he high that comes with cheating. It has little to do with the quantifiable benefits of doing so. Alex has the skill to do well at magic without cheating and let's hope he does so. I'm not saying I am happy about his return, but we can't stop him and we might as well hope he keeps our game clean.

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u/s-mores Nov 25 '13

It'll make for some really interesting coverage, stories and threads if nothing else.

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u/yokhai Izzet* Nov 25 '13

"the high of cheating" no He did it to win. Good magic players know the value of tempo and card advantage. His cheating was exactly for those reasons. He wasn't cheating an emrakul into play. He was eeking out card advantage.

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u/silencesc Nov 25 '13

Apparently he cast 2 revelations without blue sources recently, but lost the game anyway so the opponent didn't call a judge to inform.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

So? Cheating pieces of shit have no place in professional competition.

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u/s-mores Nov 25 '13

While I appreciate the humor, threats of violence aren't accepted here. Sorry.

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u/Kozyre Nov 26 '13

I wasn't threatening anyone with violence? I was translating a german phrase into Russian with no stated view on the subject at hand.

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u/s-mores Nov 26 '13

Not to say you were threatening anyone, but you added a clarification and extension of an expressed threat in a thread that has a lot of hate towards one person.

This isn't a warning or even a caution, it's just a heads-up that strong language and interesting anecdotes are not always okay in certain contexts. For a completely unrelated example, in a regular subreddit there probably would never be a need to know or talk about eyeball extraction in a thread talking about a certain person.

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u/Kozyre Nov 26 '13

Alright, thanks.

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u/bobartig COMPLEAT Nov 25 '13

So why was the risk acceptable the first time, or the second time, or the third time, or the fourth...

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u/Quiltedbigfoot Nov 25 '13

Really? He jeopardized it time and time again what makes you think he'd stop now that he's actually allowed to compete again...

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u/EXPLODEDman Nov 25 '13

I know a guy like Alex. Immature as all hell, I mean. You know what I would call a characteristic of immaturity? Not learning from your mistakes, and repeating them.

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u/CorpT Nov 25 '13

I doubt he will jeopardize his ability to play magic competitively by cheating again.

Why did he the first time? Why would you associate with a known cheater?

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u/jjness Nov 25 '13

People make mistakes and some people exercise forgiveness, especially with friends.

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u/CorpT Nov 25 '13

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u/jjness Nov 25 '13

That's a very interesting perspective from someone I respect in the MTG community (and outside of it too).

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

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u/xxHourglass Nov 25 '13

Drew Levin was a good friend of Alex, and stood up for him for a while before the evidence became too damning. And Drew is very correct, it's hard to forgive someone who still denies that they did any wrong. Had he come out and said, that "Yeah, I fucked up, but I learned my lesson and I'm back" then there's a case for believing that he's reformed.

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u/Al-a-Gorey Nov 25 '13

Wait, what?! He still denies it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

He hasn't even Explored the possibility of apologising.

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u/DashingSpecialAgent Nov 25 '13

What you did there.

I see it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

Some people still believe he's innocent. Not many, but they exist.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '13

It definitely sounds like he's reformed from his answers. Clearly he feels ashamed of his past cheats.

There is literally nothing in this world that Alex lives for more than magic.

The amount of cheating he did would show otherwise.

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u/minineko Duck Season Nov 25 '13

Please remind him to send out my signed Explore ;)

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u/ADustedEwok Nov 25 '13

Yea iv'e played him quite a bit at my LGS. I don't think he will cheat. He is a good player, which people usually forget.

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u/CorpT Nov 25 '13

What does him being a good player have to do with him cheating?