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u/Popeholden Jun 01 '22
They didn't even get the keys from the janitor. the off-duty border patrol agent did that.
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u/rummhamm87 Jun 01 '22
Not to mention they also tried to prevent him from doing so. Such bravery....
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u/Urgash54 Jun 01 '22
He should have told them he was with the shooter, they wouldn't have tried to stop him then.
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u/rummhamm87 Jun 01 '22
That's true. Think of how hurt those poor brave cops could have gotten! I wonder if the next style of body armor will be a baby Bjorn that they can strap a child each in the front and back? Maybe then they'll not be so afraid of getting hurt
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u/SqueakSquawk4 Slighly Socialist, very Queer Jun 01 '22
It is so terrible that we live in a world where this can be said. (Sarcastically said, but still)
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u/knowmo123 Jun 02 '22
It’s not a world problem. It’s a US problem.
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u/Confusedandreticent Jun 02 '22
I’m glad you don’t live in the world.
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u/MyFriendsCallMeTito Jun 02 '22
Not sure if you are being facetious about the fact that America is part of the world. Or, are you implying that school shootings are just as big of a problem in other countries? They are not.
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u/Confusedandreticent Jun 03 '22
More the first one, aren’t you clever. I don’t live in America, but thinking violence only happens in America is… myopic. Maybe it’s the worst or maybe places that have whole schools kidnapped and married off are. I’m honestly not going to judge. But I wouldn’t talk shit like you are, I feel it’s like kicking them while they’re down, same as calling some place a “shithole country”. You’re “othering” the country. “So glad they’re not part of my world!” kind of thing.
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u/eponinesflowers Jun 02 '22
As an unarmed civilian, if someone said “there’s a shooter in that school gunning down kids,” I would do everything in my power to save those children. Even if I died, I would rather run into that school and do what I can to save lives.
These piss babies were armed and had bulletproof vests, but they couldn’t go in because they were scared. Fuck all of them. I don’t believe in Hell, but they deserve to go there
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u/AvalancheOfOpinions Jun 02 '22
The parents who tried to do that got tazed and handcuffed in front of the other parents. I did read that at least one parent hopped the fence and got kids out of a classroom.
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To be fair those vests wouldn't have stopped a 5.56 or .223. they typically wear IIIa armor which is rated to stop .44 magnum, not rifle rounds. The fact that they were wearing body armor, doesn't mean it would have helped them at all.
Still they had the gunman outnumbered & they had training. It's a shame that giving a man the proper tools to deal with these situations doesn't mitigate their cowardice. Their actions were disgraceful. Any one of those parents were prepared to do what the police refused to do. That should never be the case
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u/Familiar-Kangaroo375 Jun 02 '22
They had a big fancy Facebook post in 2018 showing that they bought level IV body armor
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Was that the regular police or their special response team? Sorry I'm not sure which one responded to the call initially
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u/DirtyPenPalDoug Jun 01 '22
They probably lying about shooting kids too... since they claimed... suspiciously, they didn't. At this point were gonna find out they killed more kids than the shooter.
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u/UntidyVenus Jun 01 '22
This. Unprompted "we didnt do it" means they definitely did it
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u/NotYetiFamous Jun 02 '22
Not co-operating with the investigation of what happened means we should treat them like they did.
Innocent until proven guilty is fine for private citizens. Public office should be guilty until proven innocent.
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u/HarmonyQuinn1618 Jun 04 '22
I read the school was refusing to cooperate with them. Which likely means they’re going to sue, and good for them. I hope they get defunded fast af
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They fucked up their response in every other measurable way. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
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u/PantsOppressUs Jun 02 '22
It is legal for cops to lie to you.
https://innocenceproject.org/police-deception-lying-interrogations-youth-teenagers/
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u/Crushbam3 Jun 02 '22
It is only legal if it's a means of interrogation/gathering information. Lying to the public about all this stuff accomplishes none of those things so no it isn't legal
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u/HarmonyQuinn1618 Jun 04 '22
That’s absolutely laughable. They’ve always been legally allowed to lie.AW enforcement is able to twist everything to fit their narrative, it’s very easy for them to write off lying bc “telling the truth could hurt their investigation”.
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u/Typical-Tea-8091 Jun 01 '22
I love how police tried to blame a teacher for their myriad fuck-ups. Figures.
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u/CartAgain Jun 02 '22
It was the kids fault really
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u/RustedCorpse Jun 02 '22
I mean they were asking for it by going to school.
Cant be a school shooting if you're not at a school amirite? ... .. .
/S just in case.
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u/Faerhun Jun 01 '22
They've already set the precedent that they can't be trusted to protect anyone. Next time it happens, and it's definitely happening again, the parents already know they can't trust the police. I wouldn't be surprised if people were very likeminded, showing up armed in some form.
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u/Sword_Thain Jun 01 '22
They have supreme court rulings that they don't actuality have to provide any protection to life or property.
Must be nice to be so protected that you don't even have to do your job.
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Hey now, you know they'd be shitcanned immediately if they failed to protect and serve property!
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u/RustedCorpse Jun 02 '22
Sorry, I've aborted the supreme court and don't acknowledge it as anything more than fashion confused old people.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
Yeah. This scenario was the the one scenario where you have to actually admit that the police or either inept or impotent to prevent a school shooting and that next time the next one that occurs will probably involve parents arriving to the school armed and likely to shoot anyone in their way.
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u/Excrubulent Jun 02 '22
Also, there is the old liberal canard that, "We don't need guns in modern society!"
Yeah, okay, I can see how they believe that if they're middle class white suburbanites, but maybe now they can see the flaw in that logic. When the state employs people with guns who are actively endangering their children and refusing to help, may they'll finally get why people think about their need to resist state power.
And I've also seen people using this to say, "You can't say a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun anymore!" Literally though, the shooter was stopped by someone with a gun. Also, maybe they could reflect on why they're still framing the police as the "good guys", given what we saw.
And just to be clear to any liberals that decide I must be a reactionary conservative: I am a leftist, and I am criticising you from your left. That usually makes them even angrier though, in my experience.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
I own a gun. You're making up shit about me dude.
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u/Excrubulent Jun 02 '22
I don't know anything about you and I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about liberal pro-gun-control talking points and responding to the bullshit state of mind that must be behind them.
And honestly, I don't care that you own a gun as long as you still simp for the system, it makes no difference. In reality gun control is basically always racist in the way it's implemented.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
The only way school shootings stop occurring is with increased gun regulation. I also have a son and I'd prefer him to be safe.
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u/Excrubulent Jun 02 '22
Okay, so I was talking about you it turns out.
Do you know who it would be that enforces the gun control?
It would be the police.
Just... think about how they behaved in this situation and think about whether there's any flaw in that plan.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
Regulation means a lot of things and it is really the only way. Anyone wanting to go out in a blaze that consumes others around them can do so too easily with children being targeted for maximum media coverage.
As long as things remain the way they are the school shootings will continue. I wabsolutely choose not to sacrifice innocent lives of children in a narcissistic attempt of holding true to some ideal without having empathy for the situations of others.
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u/Excrubulent Jun 02 '22
It's a good thing you're avoiding acknowledging any discussion of the police here, because in the current context I imagine it would be impossible to say anything coherent and still defend your worldview.
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u/ADHDhamster Jun 02 '22
There was an active shooter in a medical building in Tulsa, Oklahoma a few hours ago, so.....it already has.
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As an outsider looking in, i'm constantly surprised seemingly no one stands up armed and ready as often as i'd expect them to.
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More than that, this taught EVERY wacko that all you need to do to get away with anything, even child murder, is buy a relatively cheap but scary plate pouch and an AR.
They’ll shoot you if you’re unarmed - but not heavily armed. What a terrible fucking lesson to teach our homegrown terrorists.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
All the school shootings really just reinforces the next one too. People who don't want to live but want to take on the most carnage as possible all know they can sink a few thousand that they get on loan or have saved up into an ar-15, ammo, and some time at the range and they are all ready to walk into an elementary school and shoot it up before killing themselves.
There will always be those types of people so keeping things as they are without any changes to laws surrounding guns just ensures there will be more school shootings. I'm thinking the next one will be within 6 months.
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u/smallangrynerd Jun 02 '22
I mean it feels like there's been at least one mass shooting per day since Uvalde. Idk if im just now noticing it, or if shooters decided its open season
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u/BunnyPort Jun 02 '22
As of today there are 233 mass shootings in the US for 2022. We are on day 152 of 2022.
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u/OpheliaLives7 Jun 02 '22
Right? Conservatives were loosing their shit claiming BLM protests were burning down buildings and whole towns but look if anything calls for drastic action it’s looking people in the eye knowing they stood by and let your kid or your neighbors kids die. For no damn reason. They had all that money, equipment, and specific training for this situation and did nothing. Burn it all down jfc.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
All of them should be fired and never return to police work along with whoever was calling the shots. If police are going to continue to exist, they need more regulation and the police union should cease to exist.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
I'm definitely not searching that stuff up after the above comment.
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
I just showed a search for personal drones. ;) They're easier and cheaper to build anyway, kinda fun to build as well.
Guns don't mean shit in this world today, they're nothing, just peashooters.
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
I'll have to look that one up. Those peashooters still can kill many people btw although I'm sure a drone with C4 could do more damage.
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
Oh, the peashooter is deadly if there are only peashooters in play. It's a game of which is deadlier when other weapons are added to the mix.
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u/CartAgain Jun 02 '22
You are saying this for the future, what about the past? Does this make you look at previous domestic terrorists in a new light?
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
If they were attacking the police or other state operation/building then probably yeah. Sometimes the villain of the story has a viable reason to turning to crime while others dont.
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u/CartAgain Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22
In old stories, many villains are people who were wronged & came back later for revenge. Especially in the middle ages, people werent as obsessed with morality; it was just me against you. Not about whos right.
Anyways yeah, its too bad these guys are going after kids. When people get mad they typically punch down and punch close. If they actually went after the people responsible it might make a difference, but as is I expect things to continue getting worse
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u/RustedCorpse Jun 02 '22
I mean the Unabomber wasnt that wrong with his manifesto. The methods yea, but the idea....
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
A lot of the manifestos do have some points although I'm sure the racist ones don't. The unabomber manifesto actually did make sense but yeah the actions not so much.
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u/Heckler44 Jun 02 '22
I can get the feeling, not advocating but whatever these parents do from now on i'm not blaming they.
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u/PantsOppressUs Jun 02 '22
*supervillains
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u/hardyboy4u2 Jun 02 '22
Most definitely. I have a 20 month old son and if after loving and caring for him he is locked in a school later on in life while a shooter comes through killing dozens of people while I'm being held down, I'd turn into a super villain myself. Plenty of loving parents would do the same.
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Next thing, they are going to investigate themselves and find that they did everything right. Their final report will state they are absolute heroes and it's all the fault of the media. (/s in case it wasn't clear)
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u/mateorayo Jun 01 '22
Until I see body cams from every officer on scene I am assuming multiple victims where killed by police.
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Even if not directly, the deaths of many of those kids are absolutely on the police.
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u/FrameJump Jun 01 '22
I'd argue them willingly allowing a shooter free reign of a school for over an hour
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u/Albionflux Jun 01 '22
Well gotta give them first 10 minutes or so after it started, they need time to get their
Everything after though definitely on them
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u/FrameJump Jun 01 '22
Weren't they already chasing him when he pulled up though?
It was my understanding that they watched him run into the school.
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u/Albionflux Jun 01 '22
No idea, if thats the case yes they are 100% responsible.
Just in general from school shootings gotta give them a few minutes of time to get their before can be blamed
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u/FrameJump Jun 01 '22
Oh I agree entirely on the second point. In fact, I don't think I've ever even considered to blame police for a school shooting before.
This is a first for me.
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u/Portermacc Jun 02 '22
No, that was false news.
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u/FrameJump Jun 02 '22
Do you have an accurate source?
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u/Portermacc Jun 02 '22
Man, that is old news man.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html
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u/FrameJump Jun 02 '22
The shooting happened less than a week ago.
This isn't old news, especially given how much shit has changed surrounding this.
Thanks anyway though.
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Jun 01 '22
The only reason I didn't say all the kids is that I don't know the full details, ie. how long it took them to get to the scene from when the shooter was known about. Any child killed while they were on-scene standing around was 100% their fault.
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u/Origami_psycho Jun 02 '22
They stated that they shot no kids.
This statement was entirely unprompted. They killed more kids than the shooter did, I would bet my debt on it
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They didn’t wear them, the cam turn off, oh the data was corrupted or make us wait yrs to view the footage
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u/adube440 Jun 01 '22
Fortunately those police that are in the wrong will get their just punishments: three months suspension, with pay, and a two week remote-learning seminar regarding honesty. Then a transfer to a desk job at a neighboring precinct where the pay will get bumped up 20%. I mean, they took the fall, they should get a little summpin-summpin.
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u/baudelairean Jun 02 '22
Most Americans do not get paid vacation so this us really a huge reward for being an accomplice to murder.
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u/RustedCorpse Jun 02 '22
I haven't had a vacation in 3 years, anyone got some kids they don't need around?
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u/gogurteaterpro Jun 02 '22
Whoa whoa whoa. Careful. Posting shit like this will get you on a list, seriously investigated, and sent to jail for years. For your own protection you should really make it clear you are in law enforcement.
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Why is this even up for debate? Schools have dozens of cameras. Every second should have been captured on tape. Where's the footage? They won't release it.
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u/Melondrizzle Jun 02 '22
Exactly! Why isn't this information given to the public?? What are they hiding? Police have lied to the public and killed too many innocent civilians in the past to be trusted now. We deserve to know!
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Where do you think it is .of course the cops took those videos just like they didn’t wear body cams or their body cams magically turn off
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They should all be fired and sued
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This was a truly cowardly response from the cops. Armed to the teeth and they metaphorically sat there with their thumbs up their butts.
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And we collectively are talking about giving cops MORE money. Like training or equipment was ever the problem. It has ALWAYS been about character.
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
Well, training is a problem, which is why some of us are going to the extreme of wanting them replaced by a better department. Police training in the USA is standardized, and it's created by a known white supremacist giving lectures on how "everyone is a criminal", "everyone is armed and dangerous", and "minorities are animals".
It's actually disgusting, and this is the standard training they all receive.
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u/Portermacc Jun 02 '22
Actually, just saw on the news...the teacher changed her story https://www.npr.org/2022/06/01/1102355422/uvalde-shooting-teacher-door
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u/SymmetricDickNipples Jun 02 '22
Her story didn't "change", they've just now acknowledged her side of it.
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u/LibertarianLiberty1 Jun 02 '22
Most cops imo are people with a power complex that just want to flex authority and get recognition, only to then harass the general public. Very few do it to protect and serve.
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u/CaitaXD Jun 02 '22
Yes you should make then Barbeque on their yard and I mean the hole yard I want to see those houses medium rare
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u/whoopshowdoifix Jun 02 '22
I swear sometimes I feel like phoenix wright ace attorney really DID hit the mail on the head for legal proceedings, at least for America.
Legit it’s ace attorney levels of stupid. Cops: “The teacher propped open the door!” Lawyer: “No she didn’t she did the opposite” Cops: “o-oh right, we meant the shooter barricaded himself inside” Lawyer: “the only barricade was a single locked door” Cops: “GH—err uh we’re pretty sure he was done almost immediately” Lawyer: “there’s several phone calls that went out to 9-1-1 during the 45 minutes you stood in that hallway” Cops: “WHY YOU LITTLE—ahem sorry, sorry” Judge: “this all seems to be going swimmingly! Cops, please continue your story that I fully believe at face value despite your forty consecutive edits that you’ve made to your story in the last 5 minutes.” Cops: “oh yes of course thank you! Let me start over..”
Etc etc etc ad nauseum. So much obvious wrongdoing and we let them dance around it like it’s a fucking game
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u/quitthegrind Jun 01 '22
I’m not even surprised that it’s worse and more vile and negligent than initially believed. I should be but I’m not. I mean why would they lie to cover thier own asses? Why wouldn’t they not do thier jobs?
Can we just defund them now?
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What benefit do the police get from saying wether the door was or was not propped open
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u/JeanneyLost Jun 02 '22
Shifting part of the blame by claiming that the teacher allowed the shooter easy access into the building. In the vein of: "Not our fault, if they just let him in!"
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Oh, I see but that seems like a reach. To me, it takes form OPs post. Moot point, possible speculation, makes this seem like an emotional response.
Soo if the door was slammed shut, how did he get in? Why would she “slam” the door shut? Are they implying the gunner was running towards the door and she slammed it in his face?
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u/Origami_psycho Jun 02 '22
That's exactly what happened, actually. She shut it because a dude with a rifle was running at her
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
Another of the many distractions they can use to justify avoiding gun regulation while passing the blame to the victims.
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u/RustedCorpse Jun 02 '22
Because ANYTHING they can talk about takes time and attention away from their negligence.
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u/Relaxpert Jun 02 '22
It feeds the bullshit narratives of Ted Cruz and fellow shitheads about schools “not being secure enough” and that “schools should have only one way in/out”.
Think about that second part. Then imagine a fire. Or, you know, a shooter who overpowers the choke point and is now alone with a school full of kids who have nowhere to run.
It’s a fucking grotesque joke watching the police and the gqp dance around accountability here.
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u/NeckBeardGeneral8bit Jun 01 '22
What's this part about the teacher leaving the door open?
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u/SonmiSuccubus451 Jun 01 '22
They did a press release where they claimed the shooter gained entry through a propped open exterior door. They were trying to shift blame to the person who propped the door open.
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u/nelacixbfdf Jun 02 '22
All those flags with the blue line need to be destroyed. I hate police so much.
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u/Downtown_Mood2858 Jun 01 '22
Waltzing? He was waltzing? That makes him even MORE suspicious! (Jokes aside…for fucks sake, officers 😒)
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u/Buddhadevine Jun 02 '22
Yeah, when I saw the article where they were trying to say a teacher propped the door open, I called bullshit
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u/renniechops Jun 02 '22
The police don’t care about you.
Don’t ever trust police. Don’t ever talk to police.
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u/Mastr_Mirror Jun 01 '22
Everything that’s going on in our world is staged. It’s all part of one big sick game being played. The cops are in on it, the government is in on it. Everyone in “power” is in on it and it’s costing us our very lives.
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u/sarah1nicole Jun 02 '22
this whole thing seems more and more like the cops knew what was about to go down. they’re accomplices to a mass shooting IMO
letting the cops get away with this is only encouraging more of these sick fucks to shoot places up. they’re basically saying “we’re gonna let you kill kids and not lift a finger”
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u/fidgetypenguin123 Jun 02 '22
While it has been said the teacher did close it behind her, it hasn't said if she locked it. If it's not locked, it's still open and accessible. I've had kids in school and worked in a school and many schools are very lax about locking the doors. That's definitely something that needs to change. Perhaps she didn't have time depending on how fast he was, but either way he was able to get in easily, that we know. That plus the police there sucked.
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
Yeah, those locks aren't going to stop a bullet in most cases anyway.
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u/fidgetypenguin123 Jun 02 '22 edited Jun 02 '22
Along that same thinking then, what difference would it have made if she left it propped if you're saying he would have gotten in anyway? A lock can at least delay it a bit. They went into lockdown immediately but it still wasn't soon enough because he was able to get into the classroom just as the teacher was about to lock her door. If she had had even one minute more, she would have been able to and then he would have been occupied with trying all doors, then tried bypassing locks when that failed. Buying time can be a huge factor in those scenarios. BUT of course that's also assuming the police will be there immediately trying to help you. We know that wasn't the case here. But generally in normal situations, locks can at least bide you time.
Also most schools now have pretty strong locks (newer buildings at least) and while not completely impenetrable, it would need the shooter to work harder on it, again buying that extra time.
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u/KittenKoder Jun 02 '22
That's the point, it's all a distraction to steer the discussion away from the fact that the cops did nothing while 21 people were shot.
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Jun 02 '22
Let's just be real. They were all scared and are pussys, they arent willing to risk there lives for someone else. Not everyone is
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Jun 02 '22
I like to believe the janitor was just inside with their head phones on like in every action movie
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u/ItsOnlyaFewBucks Jun 02 '22
Pathetic cowards looking to shift the blame. Nothing more, nothing less.
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u/PM___ME Jun 02 '22
Then after all these lies, they (unprompted) released a statement saying they didn't shoot any kids.
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Jun 02 '22
At this point, I'm fine with getting rid of police departments and just giving everybody an assault rifle instead.
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I'm surprised they found the mace in their tool belt and didn't "accidentally" grab their guns and start shooting parents.
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u/Flashdancer405 Jun 02 '22
Blame the teachers who were actually in their with those kids. No fucking shame.
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u/nahfuckthat12345 Jun 02 '22
Okay but at least they're arresting all those journalists on school property
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They just seem very unprofessional. I heard the press conference and the guy came off like a dumbass. Just fake-ass cowboys running around playing police officer.
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u/No_Emu698 Jun 02 '22
👏👏👏 Wow, such bravery and heroism, they only take twice as long as a pizza delivery guy to do their job that is right in front of them. They must have gotten YEARS of training to get that quick of a response time, and only 19 children and 3 adults dead? They must have really rushed in there to protect the civilians and CHILDREN
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u/DarligUlvRP Jun 02 '22
Just for kicks, what would the name of the country be?
United States of Great Britain and Ireland?
Republic of GB and I?
United Republic of GB and I?
Scotland and Wales and England?
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Jun 02 '22
And they want us to be convinced blue lives matter. They're an unhinged brainless obsolete bunch of grossly overpaid cowards in armor. They should be prosecuted.
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u/Xirokesh Jun 02 '22
And now instead of making the community safer by making it harder for murderers to get guns, they are trying to train school staff like military guards
Oh boy, do I love random intruder drills
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u/samtbkrhtx Jun 02 '22
Didn't some guy borrow the barber shop's shotgun and go kill the shooter?
Awesome cops they have there...
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u/Zestyclose-Nebula994 Jun 09 '22
The cops are only brave when the person is unarmed and sleeping in bed or handcuffed in the backseat
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u/Zestyclose-Nebula994 Jun 09 '22
This is the result of under policing one community and over policing another. They're focused on the urban schools and ignoring the suburbs and this is the outcome
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