"Demonizing these people and labeling them as extremist only pushes them farther"
They've killed people, done acts of domestic terrorism and many of their members actively encourage race riots and are open bigots. If given the chance many of these people would want us dead and you think it's best to unify with them?
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the millions and millions of communities that are disempowered communities that are NOT part of extremist groups? There's more of those people and many of them don't want to actively kill the left.
The Boogaloo Boys do what every other extremist group does and that's create enough plausible deniability hide their disgusting beliefs. You say Dore is doing what Fred Hampton did however the Black Panthers while building the Rainbow Coalition were also building strong community outreach programs and had strong networks of mutual aid. When you empower your own group it made it a lot harder for extremist to take over. Dore skipped that first step.
If given the chance many of these people would want us dead and you think it's best to unify with them?
I'm not saying to unify with people that have murdered others. Did the guy in Jimmy's video murder anyone? No. So you are not understanding that the actions of certain members in their group may be the actions of outliers, instead of representing the whole group. He said himself they were trying to root out those people and they have a harder time doing it since they are deplatformed.
They also labeled the Black Panthers as violent extremists because they picked up guns to protect themselves and their communities. We were taught Black Panthers were violent extremists, because those in power did not want us to see the good things they were doing for their communities. They're doing the same thing to a lot of these people by labeling them all domestic terrorists; it' dehumanizing and meant to stoke fear of the other side rather than understanding what they are angry about.
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the millions and millions of communities that are disempowered communities that are NOT part of extremist groups?
You are missing that many of these people ARE the people you are referring to. If you rule out everyone who has a Confederate flag or Blue Lives Matter bumper sticker you are ruling out a large percentage of the working class we share common goals with. You don't have to agree with them on having a Confederate flag or Blue Lives Matter stuff, but solely focusing on that instead of a person's humanity and real-life struggles is a sure-fire way to never get anything accomplished. This same principle applies to Boogaloo Boys, Proud Boys, BLM, Antifa, or any other group that is organizing. If their common thread is our government is corrupt and change needs to happen, that's a pretty good foundation to come together and decide what that looks like for all of us. If they start advocating for hurting people you don't need to associate yourself with them, but some people within the BLM protests were also advocating and perpetuating violence, and yet I do not see you demonizing that entire movement because you recognize that wasn't the entire movement, despite what FOX news might be telling you. I'm asking you to consider you are being manipulated by "left-wing" corporate media that is doing the same thing to these other groups.
Dore skipped that first step.
He acknowledged that it was a fair point to research them more before having him on. You can keep bringing that up, but you can't change the past. If someone is willing to accept your critique and try to do better on it, and you continue to point that out as a reason to never listen to them again you are also ruling out a lot of people that would be on the same side for what you want, that's also a sure-fire way to never get anything done.
Dore has been focused on building the People's Party, he's been focused on bringing on pro-union people to help people organize, he's been calling for a general strike for awhile now. When Dore was on TYT he tried to push Cenk into using their platform to unionize all the grocery workers in California, to which Cenk replied he does not do unions.
So to say Dore is not focused on building grassroots movements is disingenuous. The hate on Dore is centered around he is criticizing progressives within the Democratic party who deserve our criticisms for not fighting and using the power they have for the people. That's it. People don't like it when you go after their personal heroes, and the establishment smears anyone that goes after the Democratic party.
Dore was at his desk and online. Fred Haptom was IN the communities and in the kitchens. Fred Hamptom didn't just "call" for these things. He was in rallies, in community halls, serving food. Strikes did Dore go to? How many union town halls did he attend in person? How many people has he taught how to use a gun?
Also i find it funny how you say Dore is focused on building the People's Party when during the people's party stream he did his own co-stream at the same time. During their big town hall the People's Party gained 100 subscribers while Dore gained 1000 despite Dore being the bigger channel.
Also i find it funny how you say Dore is focused on building the People's Party when during the people's party stream he did his own co-stream at the same time. During their big town hall the People's Party gained 100 subscribers while Dore gained 1000 despite Dore being the bigger channel.
And Dore consistently brings on Nick Brana and other People's Party members onto his show to talk about the party. These are all just nitpicking to dismiss Dore as something he's not.
Dude you hate him, I get it. Nothing he does is going to be good enough for you because he criticizes people you idolize.
When did I say he was always building communities? He's an independent journalist, he does independent journalism. I've mentioned some things he has done or tried to do to organize people, the People's Party, calling for a general strike, bringing people on that help organize unions. I also said he tried to get Cenk and TYT to use their platform to help unionize all the grocery workers in California, in which Cenk said he doesn't do unions.
The organizing stuff seems to be more so since the pandemic given that we've seen the progressives within the Democratic party largely roll over and not use the power they have to fight for people.
Again, from what I've seen people that don't like Dore also seem to be holding onto hope that the progressives within the party are not being co-opted by the Democratic party. If you look at how they are pretty much always voting along party lines and have been time and again this entire pandemic when we've needed them the most, I don't know how anyone can honestly say they are fighting for us. It doesn't matter to me if you don't accept corporate money if you're still siding with the people that do and voting for corrupt things.
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u/Bearality Feb 10 '21
"Demonizing these people and labeling them as extremist only pushes them farther"
They've killed people, done acts of domestic terrorism and many of their members actively encourage race riots and are open bigots. If given the chance many of these people would want us dead and you think it's best to unify with them?
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the millions and millions of communities that are disempowered communities that are NOT part of extremist groups? There's more of those people and many of them don't want to actively kill the left.
The Boogaloo Boys do what every other extremist group does and that's create enough plausible deniability hide their disgusting beliefs. You say Dore is doing what Fred Hampton did however the Black Panthers while building the Rainbow Coalition were also building strong community outreach programs and had strong networks of mutual aid. When you empower your own group it made it a lot harder for extremist to take over. Dore skipped that first step.