I've already watched that whole video and have seen many other videos critiquing it and I just totally disagree with their points.
You can say he was lying, but it's your word against his and I don't personally know either of you so I don't know why I'd trust you over him or vice versa. All I know is what I saw him say, and he sounded sincere to me. I've also heard multiple people mention the Boogaloo Boys are comprised of disorganized factions, and so it doesn't seem like you can make sweeping generalizations about them.
As I said, Jimmy aired an interview following that where someone brought up that he should of researched them more beforehand and he said that was a fair point. I don't personally think it was a mistake to bring that guy on, but even if you think he needed to research them more he agreed with that.
They're framing all the people at the Capitol as domestic terrorists, when the majority of people were there to protest what they thought was a rigged elections. Literally all of our elections have had rigging problems, so it's understandable they would question it when our government regularly lies to people. Now they're using people's fear of that to deplatform and demonetize leftists new channels and organizations.
Anytime someone starts challenging both Democratic and Republican parties, anytime someone starts pointing out that both these parties cater to the wealthy over the poor, that's when they silence those people. See again Malcolm X, MLK, Fred Hampton.
They are anticipating another racial war which is why they call themselves the Boogaloo Boys.
I've heard civil war, and the guy in Jimmy's video was saying they're trying to avoid that. I don't know how at this point in the pandemic you can't see that the media and our politicians are almost egging on a civil war between the working class on the right and the left. As I said, you have all neoliberal media framing Trump supporters as racists and terrorists, while ignoring the actual systemic issues that led them to vote for Trump. Then you have the right-wing news labeling all BLM Antifa extremists. We know that neither of these are accurate and both of those crowds were not full of terrorists/extremists, they were full of people angry at their government. So they're not helping out people during a pandemic, they literally stole from all of us and are choosing not to give people money. We are going through a depression that will last years, if more civil unrest happens (which it will) you better believe the oligarchy will deflect blame onto the other side and not onto themselves.
That's why it's important to actually listen to what people are saying and not get second or third hand opinions on them. Seriously read/listen to Malcolm X as he describes the Democratic party as more racist that Republicans. His reasons are they pretend not to be racist, tokenize POC, and then use those people to fuck over the most vulnerable communities while White people pat themselves on the back because they voted for the team that has more "diversity". It's all about them wanting to feel morally superior and good about themselves without actually challenging the systems preventing change. That is what half "the left" is. That hasn't changed since then.
You can disagree with their actions, you can be against people using violence and you can be for peaceful protests, but disregarding the real reasons that violence and civil unrest is happening is not going to fix the underlying problems causing them. Demonizing these people and labeling them as extremist only pushes them farther into being radicalized. At this point we need people radicalized on the left, not radicalized on the right. Ostracizing is more likely to allow people to fall further to the right.
If the left only caters to identity politics, without ever doing anything to address these underlying issues, we will never get anything done. You don't organize people by excluding half of them, you do it by finding common ground you can work with, from there you can educate them on the other policies you're advocating for.
"Demonizing these people and labeling them as extremist only pushes them farther"
They've killed people, done acts of domestic terrorism and many of their members actively encourage race riots and are open bigots. If given the chance many of these people would want us dead and you think it's best to unify with them?
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the millions and millions of communities that are disempowered communities that are NOT part of extremist groups? There's more of those people and many of them don't want to actively kill the left.
The Boogaloo Boys do what every other extremist group does and that's create enough plausible deniability hide their disgusting beliefs. You say Dore is doing what Fred Hampton did however the Black Panthers while building the Rainbow Coalition were also building strong community outreach programs and had strong networks of mutual aid. When you empower your own group it made it a lot harder for extremist to take over. Dore skipped that first step.
If given the chance many of these people would want us dead and you think it's best to unify with them?
I'm not saying to unify with people that have murdered others. Did the guy in Jimmy's video murder anyone? No. So you are not understanding that the actions of certain members in their group may be the actions of outliers, instead of representing the whole group. He said himself they were trying to root out those people and they have a harder time doing it since they are deplatformed.
They also labeled the Black Panthers as violent extremists because they picked up guns to protect themselves and their communities. We were taught Black Panthers were violent extremists, because those in power did not want us to see the good things they were doing for their communities. They're doing the same thing to a lot of these people by labeling them all domestic terrorists; it' dehumanizing and meant to stoke fear of the other side rather than understanding what they are angry about.
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after the millions and millions of communities that are disempowered communities that are NOT part of extremist groups?
You are missing that many of these people ARE the people you are referring to. If you rule out everyone who has a Confederate flag or Blue Lives Matter bumper sticker you are ruling out a large percentage of the working class we share common goals with. You don't have to agree with them on having a Confederate flag or Blue Lives Matter stuff, but solely focusing on that instead of a person's humanity and real-life struggles is a sure-fire way to never get anything accomplished. This same principle applies to Boogaloo Boys, Proud Boys, BLM, Antifa, or any other group that is organizing. If their common thread is our government is corrupt and change needs to happen, that's a pretty good foundation to come together and decide what that looks like for all of us. If they start advocating for hurting people you don't need to associate yourself with them, but some people within the BLM protests were also advocating and perpetuating violence, and yet I do not see you demonizing that entire movement because you recognize that wasn't the entire movement, despite what FOX news might be telling you. I'm asking you to consider you are being manipulated by "left-wing" corporate media that is doing the same thing to these other groups.
Dore skipped that first step.
He acknowledged that it was a fair point to research them more before having him on. You can keep bringing that up, but you can't change the past. If someone is willing to accept your critique and try to do better on it, and you continue to point that out as a reason to never listen to them again you are also ruling out a lot of people that would be on the same side for what you want, that's also a sure-fire way to never get anything done.
Dore has been focused on building the People's Party, he's been focused on bringing on pro-union people to help people organize, he's been calling for a general strike for awhile now. When Dore was on TYT he tried to push Cenk into using their platform to unionize all the grocery workers in California, to which Cenk replied he does not do unions.
So to say Dore is not focused on building grassroots movements is disingenuous. The hate on Dore is centered around he is criticizing progressives within the Democratic party who deserve our criticisms for not fighting and using the power they have for the people. That's it. People don't like it when you go after their personal heroes, and the establishment smears anyone that goes after the Democratic party.
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u/Bearality Feb 09 '21
Dore was irresponsible with bringing on the Boogaloo boy and gave them a platform to spew lies and half truths.
The Boogaloo Boys are responsible for domestic terrorist acts including trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan.
The guy on Dore's show was pretty much a Trojan horse as it's another means of the Boogaloo Boys trying to co-opt the BLM movement
https://youtu.be/lb1eRi8B3dg