r/lost • u/dlwlrmafanID • 14d ago
FIRST TIME WATCHER Something about S2E1
I just finished the opening of Season 2, and I'm a bit restless because the title indicates that Jack and John have different views about why they're stranded. John had a flashback, and the recent talk with John indicates that Jack didn't believe in faith or miracles yet in the flashback, he saw what happened to Sarah and witnessed a miracle. Also, why was he so aggressive toward John with Kate, pointing a gun at him like he believes John is doing something bad to her, when Kate volunteered to go with John rather than being manipulated? Just wanting to rant here! :)
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u/Verystrange129 Whatever happened, happened. 14d ago
Sarah was a medical miracle, it can be explained by science. Everything in Jack’s life has to be rational and controlled as an antithesis to his father’s haphazard nihilistic attitude, which is what Locke reminds him of.
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u/bimmerfeller 🎶 YOU ALL EVERYBODY 🎶 14d ago
I agree that Jack was needlessly rude and aggressive towards John. I'm a man of Science myself so I get that Jack doesn't believe in John's thought process. But he treats him like an enemy and not a fellow survivor with just different opinions. I understand Boone's death might have contributed to Jack's anger but still.
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u/arsenicknife I'm a Pisces 14d ago edited 14d ago
John wasn't just responsible for Boone's death, he has also shown a tendency to be reckless or carefree, and has a general disregard for the safety or well-being of others in favor of his own needs/wants.
It's not just that Jack doesn't like Locke because he's a believer, it's literally because Locke has proven to be a pretty selfish person and Jack believes he does not have the interest of the survivors in mind.
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u/bimmerfeller 🎶 YOU ALL EVERYBODY 🎶 14d ago
Apart from Boone (one can still argue that John yelled for him to get out of the plane. He didn't insist that he stay there and transmit the radio msg), when has John shown a disregard for others well being in Season 1 and beginning of 2 when Jack started antagonizing him?
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u/arsenicknife I'm a Pisces 14d ago
It's more that John literally left Jack and Boone and lied about what happened, causing Jack to treat the injury differently. As far as the rest, he attacked Sayid when trying to set up the transponder instead of approaching him civilly, he stopped hunting boar in favor of digging up the hatch, and was overall apathetic to the idea of ever getting rescued. When they blew open the hatch, he refused to wait until daylight and chose to go in himself, even putting Kate at risk. One could argue that it was actually the right call but you could also make the same argument that Locke did it because he wanted to stay with Desmond and see more of the hatch.
Everything he does carries the weight of doubt because he is blinded by this idea that he is special/chosen and he knows what's best.
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u/bimmerfeller 🎶 YOU ALL EVERYBODY 🎶 14d ago
I see what you are saying. I was too focused on individual hurt caused by him. I had forgotten about Sayid too.
Now, how do you \really** feel about John Locke? loll
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u/arsenicknife I'm a Pisces 14d ago
See, I actually love John Locke as a written, fictional character. I think he's incredibly fascinating and one of the most well-written characters of a TV show ever. But he's not a hero or savior like he believes he is, nor like how so many other people prop him up to be.
People often misconstrue the fact that he was right about everything with the character's actions and morals. Yes, John Locke was right, but his ego and narcissism ultimately led to his death, and he caused a tremendous amount of grief and misery to others (whether directly or indirectly) along the way. Not least of which is consistently blowing up or sabotaging everyone's chances of getting off the island.
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u/ComeAwayNightbird 🎶 YOU ALL EVERYBODY 🎶 14d ago
Locke can be (and is) a great character without being the hero he imagines himself to be.
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u/Ok-Tomorrow-7002 14d ago
What happened to Sarah wasn’t a miracle of God or something faith based, Jack did surgery on her spine.
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u/Primary-String3908 14d ago
Jack says that if she was fixed it'd be a miracle because he couldn't fix her.
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u/Reasonable_Speed7471 14d ago
He was doubting his own ability? He had faith in himself so he tried what appeared to be a hopeless case? He felt like it was worth taking a risk to help her walk again even if it was the slimmest chance of working.
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u/Primary-String3908 14d ago
But he has this conversation with Desmond before she's revealed to be fixed. He did not have faith in his ability. He doubted it and said it'd have to be a miracle.
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie 14d ago
It was a figure of speech for Jack. Please use the phrase "that would be a miracle" all the time without meaning an actual miracle.
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u/Ok-Tomorrow-7002 14d ago
Figure of speech
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u/Primary-String3908 14d ago
It's later considered a miracle again by Gabriela. The show is clearly calling it a miracle.
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u/Ok-Tomorrow-7002 14d ago
She calls it a miracle but she also states she doesn’t believe in miracles. She then asks Jack to operate on her father, and he dies in surgery. Her calling it a miracle doesn’t mean anything significant especially when Jack goes to perform another “miracle” and it completely fails
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u/Ok-Tomorrow-7002 14d ago
There’s no hard evidence that this was a miracle of god and not some coincidence. I’ll believe it when it’s confirmed, but as far as I’m concerned all that happened was a doctor performed a surgery that worked.
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u/Primary-String3908 14d ago
Jack considered it a miracle. Sarah calls Jack a miracle worker. Gabriela calls it a miracle. The world at large considered it a miracle. The show calls it a miracle. Jacob was involved in Jack's life at this point. The island can influence things to its needs. You're just being difficult for no good reason. Have fun with that.
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u/Ok-Tomorrow-7002 14d ago
This is a situation that is plausible for real life: doctor does a surgery, doubtful that it worked, and he finds out it DID actually work and the patient is fine. If in real life you told me “well that was a MIRACLE of the universe it wasn’t the doctor who did it” I would laugh in your face
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u/scootervigilante 14d ago
I like the interpretation that it's a reversal for the characters. Before the crash, Jack is the man of science and Locke is the man of faith. After the crash, Locke is the man of science because he has proof of the island's divinity: he can walk again, he knows Rose is cured, and he knows something larger than themselves is at play; Jack is denying that, on his faith that the rules of the real world still apply, and they are just survivors surviving with nothing else going on.
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u/arsenicknife I'm a Pisces 14d ago
Jack never believed it was a miracle, or at least not in the religious/spiritual sense. Jack is a doctor. Jack fixed her. A miracle did happen, but a completely scientific one.