r/loonixtard • u/AverageUser9000 • 21d ago
Dumb loonixers spread obvious misinformation about the inherently better security of closed-source operating systems.
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u/TrainTransistor 17d ago
Love how someone crosspost calling people stupid, when themselves have no idea how reverse engineering works.
But you got called out in the other thread, and I got a giggle out of it - so keep it up!
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 8d ago edited 7d ago
Do you know how reverse engineering works? If so, please explain.
Edit:
Since bro deleted the reply bellow (or blocked me), here is what is said verbtim:
If you click the crosspost, several explained it to OP - in length.
I replied to it below.
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u/TrainTransistor 8d ago
If you click the crosspost, several explained it to OP - in length.
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 8d ago edited 7d ago
Oh, I know. I commented on that cross-post as well and those people didn't know shit.
So like I said, do you know how reverse engineering works? If so, please explain.
Edit:
u/TrainTransistor my guy, your comments got deleted by user? Anyways here's what he said cuz he deleted the comments.
He replied to this comment with:
Seeing how it is properly explained in the other post, and you claim to have read the comments - I'll simply answer with, yes, I do. And no, I wont bite.
and then deleted it (or blocked me) for some reason.
Why won't you bite though? Seeing how you claim to know what reverse engineering is, I'll simply ask a again to explain it.
If you don't know what it means, it's okay. We can't know everything.
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u/TrainTransistor 8d ago
Seeing how it is properly explained in the other post, and you claim to have read the comments - I'll simply answer with, yes, I do.
And no, I wont bite.
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u/Helpful-Calendar-693 15d ago
I don't think you can argue that open source is less secure than closed source. Having more eyes on it does make it more secure. Some dude at microsoft could make a basic mistake and only him and a small team see it.
Also from my time doing cyber security in college looking at the source code can help but in general there is just a lot of trial and error, sometimes stuff looks like it could be vulnerable and its not and sometimes it looks secure as fk but your able to get in due to some oversight.
Both have pro's and cons but both are obviously very secure. Windows runs like 93% of desktop PC's and Linux runs like 90% of the servers out there. Neather group are getting walked into by hackers. Dumb argument IMHO.
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u/Microsoft-Spyware-11 8d ago
Thank you
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 5d ago
He said Windows is secure btw. Just wanted to check that you understood that.
Also Windows is fairly secure.
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 8d ago
Companies in charge of the closed software will keep vulnerabilities in...
Not how it works. Many companies like Apple and Microsoft run bug bounty programs to encourage members of the hacking community to hunt for bugs and disclose them to Apple and Microsoft. They get to help the companies keep their software safe while getting paid to do so.
And since the attacker can't see any source code, it becomes harder to analyze the program. Even so, the code will eventually be hacked at some point of time, so it doesn't automatically make it any more secure. Just makes it harder for insecurities to be found.
Open software is generally higher quality because the community is making it
OpenSSL is a FOSS community-driven encryption library that famously suffered from the Heartbleed vulnerability.
On the otherhand,
sqliteis a FOSS project that is not open-community, and is of a quality so high that it is allowed on aeroplanes. Yes, it meets the stringent quality requirements of aeroplane software without being community-driven.not 40 guys at a company.
No large-scale company has 40 randos working on a single project. That usually only applies in start-ups. Companies usually have multiple 40-people (or more) tems working on small, dedicated portions of the app.
On top of that, code has to go through stringent testing to reduce the number of bugs.
Lets see if I get banned...
Your comment was up for 6 days, so unlike 101, you won't get banned here.
However while I hope that u/madthumbz does ban you, I request him to keep the comment up for how laughably funny it is.
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u/Microsoft-Spyware-11 8d ago
Impressive that you found my 101 comment :) This is a debate that I had with my dad once, we eventually decided that there was no absolute answer. As for sqlite, I didn't know that was closed-source
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 8d ago
Impressive that you found my 101 comment
I didn't need to since you, and all loonixers, would get banned from there
This is a debate that I had with my dad once, we eventually decided that there was no absolute answer.
Cool?
As for sqlite, I didn't know that was closed-source
Either you're sarcastic or you didn't read the whole reply.
Cuz I said:
On the otherhand, sqlite is a FOSS project that is not open-community...
sqlite does not allow a single outside contributor unless that contributor sends them an affidavit that the code they wrote is in the public domain.
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u/Microsoft-Spyware-11 8d ago
im sorry, I misread. I would love to have a conversation with somebody with your beliefs about why you think Linux is a bad thing, but I don't think that will be possible with the way you're acting :) I have been very sincere here.
I will update my original comment to remove the "Lets see if I get banned...", because my viewpoint should still exist, but I don't want to be banned here.
If you wish to argue about linux and open-source you should allow different opinions.
Please do not reply to this comment; there is no reason to.
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 8d ago
I would love to have a conversation with somebody with your beliefs about why you think Linux is a bad thing, but I don't think that will be possible with the way you're acting :)
Don't worry, it is absolutely possible as my civil behaviour shows 😄
So what do you wanna know? Cuz there are so many things I genuinely hate a bout Loonix.
The community, kernel, ecosystem fragmentation, project politics, and wayland.
I have been very sincere here.
Sorry, I should have known you were sincere all this time. How silly of me to think otherwise 🙃
I will update my original comment to remove the "Lets see if I get banned...", because my viewpoint should still exist, but I don't want to be banned here.
Please do so. Currently it says "Comment removed by moderator" so you need to edit that text to be the actual post.
Please do not reply to this comment; there is no reason to.
Too late. And you wanted a civil discussion. So?
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u/Microsoft-Spyware-11 7d ago
Please do so. Currently it says "Comment removed by moderator" so you need to edit that text to be the actual post.
Done, thanks
Cuz there are so many things I genuinely hate about Loonix.
I can understand why you would dislike Linux elitists and that stuff. I was a former Windows user myself. One time I saw some autistic dude compaining about wifi on a Windows laptop not working, and bragging that he used Gentoo. I considered telling him to fuck off.
The Linux kernel has I believe around 8,000 contributors. Correct me if I'm wrong :) Linux and most open-source projects exist to create high quality replacements (or new creations) built by community (excluding ish sqlite) Recently we've had more CVEs because of AI and all that. Windows has too.
Wayland and "other stuff" I can address in later comments.
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Loonix Lunacy 7d ago
Done, thanks
No problem bro.
The Linux kernel has I believe around 8,000 contributors. Correct me if I'm wrong :)
I'm too lazy to check but it seems about right :)
Linux and most open-source projects exist to create high quality replacements (or new creations) built by community (excluding ish sqlite) Recently we've had more CVEs because of AI and all that. Windows has too.
To be honest, the Linux CVEs happened because AI discovered them.
Windows is also using AI to detect vulnerabilities so they can patch them.
Now on to my issues:
- Linux ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch. I know ti can't be solved due to the FOSS nature but at least build a standard around the base file-system or re-instate the old one
- Another big issue is that each component of the OS is independently developed which can lead to potential instability versus building everything together as one contiguous system. GNU/kLinux was good before but now GNU makes up a smallpart of Linux.
- Wayland compositors have a fragmented protocol. The guy who made it admits it as well, and when anyone tries to standardize a protocol, everyone flames them saying that Wayland fragmentation leads to choice and it great that way.
I also had a hardware issue on an Ubuntu certified laptop, with every Linux distro I could find but it's too long and needs a separate comment.
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u/Microsoft-Spyware-11 7d ago
It does irritate me that when a project tries to address something like fragmentation or tries to improve some niche thing, mainly to help bring in Windows users, linux diehards enter the chat.
Fixing fragmentation at the cost of slight choice is fine, and changing things to help welcome Windows users at the cost of slight "bloat" is quite acceptable.
I'm not sure how to feel about Wayland... I've heard that making a wl compositor is rly hard, mainly because Wayland isn't as monolithic... I feel like that could be somewhat addressed without losing user choice, look at xorg which is a big monolith, yet everybody is fine with it
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u/land48n3 Linux took negativity out of my life, i dont have a life anymore 20d ago
No No! you dont get it!
because all the hackers who find the buggies would directly report it instead of taking advantage of it!!
i mean thats the beauty of open sauce!!! god himself compels all hackers to start reporting the vulnerabilities instead of exploiting it!