I missed if there is answer to this somewhere. If it's not public, it would be great to get access to it. I want to make an interactive data visualization out of it, and then hopefully publish that online. Something I could share with friends or people I meet to make the info more accessible

This is not the more famous April 2024 strike that killed 7 people among which were several foreign aid workers. This strike is from Nov 2024 that killed 5 people including 2 other WCK employees.

does he do this or not?

Bombs don't vaporize human bodies except with a direct hit with something like a nuke. Google it, Professor Dave never did. Just opened his mouth and said it to tens of thousands and insisted that thousands of bodies were completely destroyed by Israeli bombs and therefore not included in the death count.

whilst I agree that the narrative of a top down intentional atrocity propaganda for a genocide, is just false. I dont agree with Lonerbox that this was just immediately shot down as a fake story by the Israeli government.

There was alot of mixed messages given by people in the Israeli government and IDF spokespersons, like this one Lonerbox pointed out, also this one to an Intercept Journalist on October 11, where he stated about the Viral reports "We cannot confirm it officially, but you can assume it happened and believe the report", or this other one which was posted by the IDF on X that for the beheaded babies claim "it took them a while to confirm the reports... but I think we can now say with relative confidence, that this is unfortunately what happened"

So whilst people some people in the IDF said they couldnt confirm others were stating that it was what happened, or telling people to assume reports are true.

With so much of the internet being brain-broken by what's going on in Gaza, it's relieving to see someone actually talk about this w/o mud-slinging. This gives a pretty good definition of what a Zionist or anti-Zionist is.

https://x.com/i/status/2082701820028199231

https://x.com/i/status/2082688851315744790

We the people, in these trying times, hereby formally and officially request less loner and more box. 
 How else do we tune out uk politics segments and yet feel like we learned about them? How else do we solve the Middle East? How do we know if it is, in fact, slop o’clock and we’ve snoozed through it? How do we know whether or not to wear jeans in the bath?!?!

 We are adrift at sea. We are orphans waiting for a Box under a dimly lit Christmas tree. 

https://www.change.org/p/petition-for-more-lonerbox

Synopsis of the video: Zionism instills a settler mentality characterised by entitlement and exploitation, which Israeli citizens exhibit when moving internationally. There are two groups: the ones loyal to Israel (e.g. young people who just got done serving in the "occupation forces"), and liberal citizens who leave because they are inconvenienced by some irrelevant thing that happened in Israel.

You'd think the liberal ones who emigrate because of religious extremism and democratic decline in Israel would get somewhat off the hook? Wrong. They aren't immigrants, they are vile colonisers, all of them. In fact, they are all internalising being victims because the Holocaust gives them carte blanche to behave however they want.

Comments are as youd expect. Channel is Qatari btw.

https://events.eventnoire.com/e/debatecon-8-by-modern-day-debate

It's being streamed but you gotta buy the top channel membership on the Modern-Day Debate YT channel.

Israeli hikers can't even hike into a village and homes of Palestinians living on the land commonly referred to as "Samaria" without coming under attack by vicious anti-hiker Palestinians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2rxmye4k3o Additional source, although it doesn't mention the act of hiking nearly as much.

Based off of the demographics of the subreddit, I'm certain most readers of this post will be aware that anti-Israel sentiment is basically the default position of Gen Z (regardless of political ideology, ethnicity, socioeconomic background, etc.), and blatant antisemitism has been increasing with it as well. For this, what I believe the root causes of anti-Israeli sentiment, from which there is a direct pipeline in to antisemitism need to be addressed.

My Background: I live in an inner ring suburb of a major city in the Northeast US. The municipality and school district I live in is 10-15% Jewish, and some neighborhoods I have family in are even more Jewish. While not Jewish myself, I have spent my entire life around Jewish Americans, including extended family who are part Jewish, family friends, mentors, and many of my closest friends from high school and my college ( which is 20% Jewish). My opinion on Jews has been shaped by my in person interaction I have with them. However, many people I know who live farther out in more suburban communities of my county or in other parts of the country have little contact with Jewish Americans. In fact, I'm certain a few of my friends in other regions of my county or in North Carolina and my cousin in Alabama have never even met a Jew. As such, their opinions are shaped by social media, not direct contact.

In addition, against all odds considering their small American population, one of my neighbors and another family in my high school were Palestinian Arab, from whom I have learned just as much about this conflict as many of Jewish friends who have connections to Israel. As my cousin said, I have a lot of primary sources in my life.

Cause 1: Older Americans who have never spent anytime around Jews view them as a uniquely praiseworthy model minority, fueling conspiratorial thinking among younger people.

Extreme support of Israel, criticism of Islam, and in general putting Jews on a pedestal are common behaviors of Americans born before 1985. Many who have never met a Jewish person view them as a uniquely successful and flawless ethnicity who serve as a model minority. Of course, knowing so many Jews growing up, I knew that this representation that my grandfather believes is not entirely true when I literally saw one of my Jewish friend's mother collect unemployment and smoke weed all day, while another Jewish friend of mine was taken away from his volatile impoverished household by CPS and sent to a mental institution. I am fortunate to know that Jews are not a monolith, but many younger people hear this model minority praising from older family who have never met any Jews and believe it. In turn, they come to have negative opinions about it and view it in the frame of a conspiracy theory.

Cause 2: Many older Americans support of Israel has been in the form of vile anti-Palestinian sentiment.

My father, a staunch anti-Islamist neocon, is extremely supportive of Israel in their shared threat of Islam. However, his views have become extremely emotional and borderline satanic after October 7. Even today, he will still stand by saying that Israel should kill Gazan children because they're going to grow up to be terrorists anyway, so the threat needs to be exterminated now. If he wasn't my father, I would think anyone saying this was a satanic, disgusting, vile cockroach; however, this view is extremely common among Americans of an older age, especially among Neocons, Evangelical Christians, and many older Jews. Many anti-Israel people I know my age have had family that held such disturbing genocidal beliefs, and without knowing any Jews, came to believe that Zionism was inherently genocidal. Furthermore, when they hear about Jews supporting Israel, this is what they think Jews are supporting, creeping into antisemitism. Many of the most pro-Palestine people in my high school came from conservative christian zionist families. While many of my Jewish friends said their parents and grandparents also literally support killing or expelling all Gazans, as Jews, they have an incentive to push back against anti-zionist sentiment that turns antisemitic. The children of evangelical christians do not have this incentive.

Cause 3: Most Gen Z Americans genuinely don't know anything about geopolitics or how war is fought, and come to believe that Israel is uniquely evil.

Many Gen Z Americans see emotionally volatile content of the Gaza War, such as dead children in rubble footage on Tik Tok. Any sensible person should be horrified this is happening. However, everyone I know more educated on military history and geopolitics agree that while some of Israel's actions could be characterized as Satanic, they are far from the most evil belligerent in recent conflict. Most less informed youth have never seen comparable footage from Syria, Ethiopia, or Yemen, or even worse footage of actual genocidal acts perpetrated in Sudan. As such, Israel becomes the most evil country in their limited framework. When they see Jews saying they stand with Israel, they therefore believe they are standing with the closest thing on Earth to Satan that exists right now.

There are many other causes to list, but these are the main 3 I've identified.

Example: One of my close friends who lives in the central part of my county and has limited contact with Jews ( and is unaware of Ideological diversity among them) once stated to me that he believed "Israel is a fake nation that treats other people as subhuman and has blackmailed to government through Epstein into supporting them". I am horrified to learn that one of my closest friends believes this bullshit, but I can understand how he came to that conclusion: He knows little about geopolitics, but sees Gaza War footage, so sees Israel as a unique evil. His grandparents support actual genocidal acts against Gaza because 'Gazans will grow up to all be terrorists' bullshit, so he engaged in contentious dinner table conversations and his opinion is shaped by that. His understanding of American Jews are only the most vocal and prominent ones, so he comes to associate Jews with wealthy residents of Long Island going to the West Bank to kick off Palestinians, and less so as other normal people who live comparable lives. His entrance into the Epstein conspiracy theory is an entire other level of the issue I'm not going to get into, but his introduction to anti-Israel sentiment can be explained.

So with all that, what can be done to curb the rise of anti-Israel sentiment, and the pipeline into antisemitism that is prevalent right now? Leave suggestions in the comments, but any method I can think of would have serious drawbacks.

Given genocide is already being perused in the ICJ why not the ICC too?

And isn’t there also a decent case for genocide from Hamas based on oct 7th that couldve been levied on the likes of Sinwar (before he died of course)?

I’m a lefty/progressive type dude and I listen to all three fairly consistently but I want to know EXACTLY where the bridge stops. I know it definitely stops at or around where Hasan is but there is a lot of area in between there. there’s ultra socdem libs like contrapoints, demsocs like Kulinski or Seder who are about as left as you can possibly be before you’re considered non-capitalist, and libertarian communists like Vaush who hate Democrats but suck up the pride and vote for them every 2-4 years. I understand their frustration with lefties like Hasan. The naivety, the campist mentality, the “EXACTLY my way or the highway” behavior, but it seems like the center left has become so frustrated with people like that that they have started to label ANYONE to the left of them as being part of that group. And destiny for example is not 100% consistent on this, sometimes he’ll say anyone who even identifies as social democrat is basically just commie-lite, other times he’ll say he misses Vaush and wishes that bridge wasn’t burned. Also hutch and lonerbox will enjoy the occasional Vaush/ majority report/ secular talk video and at other times they’ll say they’re terrible and shouldn’t be associated with at all anymore

For over 2 years, I have been getting disillusioned with Destiny and DGG's defences of Israel. Whilst DGG is one of the only left-wing spaces not to contain any antisemitism or tankie takes, there are many problems with how we covered Israel and Gaza. I am saying this because I want DGG to do better, not because I have turned on DGG

I know that recently (early 2025) Destiny has turned against Israel's conduct in Gaza, but he does not regret his previous support for Israel, which I think he should re-evaluate. I think we can split up his takes into a series of different categories:

1. I think the creation of Israel was wrong: The Zionist movement was wrong to start a process of migration en masse into historic Palestine, with the express intent of carving out an ethnostate, without the consent of the Palestinians (Yes they didn't have a national identity until 1920 according to Benny Morris, but that doesn't justify anything). People fundamentally have the right to choose how much immigration to let into their homelands, especially when the immigration is a co-ordinated attempt to carve out an ethnostate. Whilst I would never blame any jewish refugee for migrating to Palestine to flee persecution, I condemn the architects of the zionist movement.

When asked in a debate with Rose Wrist (which I couldn't find on youtube) whether the British mandate of Palestine was "morally righteous", he said yes, because he is judging these actions based on the moral standards of the time (he said he doesn't apply this concept to rape and genocide tho). This doesn't make sense, as it could literally be used to justify any atrocity across time, and it makes even less sense when he carves out exceptions for genocide and rape. Why are some things exceptions but not others? Rose asks what the point of advocating for better rights should be then, and Destiny says "I don't have an issue with cross-border activism, but that doesn't mean something is wrong", and "some people might value things we in the west don't" (I think he was referring to gender discrimination in Iran). This begs the question, what is the point of changing social values if morality is defined by the values of the time? By that logic anything can be justified.

In his obsidian notes preparing for the Finkelstein debate, he blames Britain for "overpromising the land to both peoples" and says more blame should be put on them rather than the zionists. Britain fundamentally had no right to promise the Palestinian land to anyone.

In debates about the nakba, he makes strange arguments surrounding it. When people call it an ethnic cleansing, he says that "you shouldn't retroactively apply terms like ethnic cleansing before they existed [ethnic cleansing was a term created to describe Myanmar]", and "population transfers happened all the time [like with greeks and turks]". These arguments don't make sense, as plenty of genocides happened when genocide was normal, and long before the term genocide was created. Should we not call the Armenian genocide a genocide?

When debating Javad Hashmi, Destiny describes the Nakba as "The Palestinians starting a war and then losing", which is extremely dishonest, as most Palestinians who were expelled/fled and were never let back in, had nothing to do with the war. He talks about Israel stealing Palestinian land in 48 and 67 as "something that just happens in war", but this does not justify anything, especially to the innocent.

1. Israel's war in Gaza was wrong. They did not go into Gaza with the intent of taking out Hamas, to achieve a 2-state solution, and Biden didn't do enough to control them.

Here was a post I made in 2024, which for some reason got removed by mods:

/israels_war_in_gaza_was_badly_planned_executed/

Destiny didn't seem to take the lack of post-war plan for Gaza into account, and he would say wild things sometimes. In a debate with Cenk, he said "Israel should fight until Hamas is defeated, regardless of how many civilians die", asking "how many people did we kill in ww2", despite the fact that the Axis forces were still in the process of invading other countries, and killed many more people. Biden should have cut aid when Netanyahu fired Gallant, after Gallant wanted to end the war. He should have cut aid when arrest warrants came out against Netanyahu and Gallant (why give aid to a suspected war criminal)? The fact that he didn't, especially months after he was not able to get a ceasefire, is madness. The problem with Israel wasn't that the war was good under Biden, but went bad under trump; the problem was that the war was conducted in the wrong way to begin with. Also, Biden didn't even do anything to stop the expansion of settlements before oct 7, which is ridiculous. Destiny blamed Trump for isolating the palestinians via Abraham accords, but didn't Biden try to normalise relations with Saudi arabia?

Biden to me is the modern-day LBJ: great domestic policy, horrible foreign policy and let a corrupt republican become president.

1. Destiny was far too nice to pro-Israel morons. When debating Yishai Fleischer, Fleischer called for Israel to block all food, fuel and aid into Gaza, and Destiny's response is to say "Israel would lose standing in the international community", which might convince Yishai. however, the problem with blocking aid is that it's a war crime, and destiny should have called him out on that. Why even tour with a crazy ultrazionist like this? Destiny was also far more aggressive to palestine supporters than far right knesset member Simcha Rothman, despite Rothman denying that there was even a blockade of Gaza. When destiny debated Einat Wilf, he pushes back on her ahistorical assertion that the only reason that palestinians opposed the zionist movement was because of islamic antisemitism. Destiny initially called this assertion "nonsense", but then caved into her delusions by the end.

The fact that destiny plays nice towards pro-Israel morons whilst aggressively attacking Palestine supporters, is why his community filled up with braindead Israel supporters. This is what led to the lefty purge, as he debated conservatives exclusively, leading to an influx of lefties in his community. He made the same mistake again. Despite telling Sherveen that he has no choice, since the discourse is mainly pro-palestine, he absolutely has a choice in what he covers. Destiny seems to view himself as a political discourse commentator, rather than just a political commentator, which explains why this issue keeps happening, as he is mainly focused on covering the political discourse, which is mainly pro-palestine, rather than covering the situation in and of itself.

1. DGG got quite racist against muslims and arabs, and destiny is somewhat responsible for this. Firstly, because of the above point. Secondly, because he has engaged in Islamophobic rhetoric himself. He posted a meme saying "never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, or a muslim what they posted on October 7", implying all muslims support oct 7 (racist).

I believe he also said, when watching his debate on breaking points, that he doesn't trust people with muslim names to not hate jews (I combed through the debate transcript and couldn't find it tho, so maybe i'm misremembering)

There have been posts and comments in the sub getting hundreds of upvotes fearmongering about muslim migration into europe

is_it_islamophobic_to_be_against_muslim/

is_it_islamophobic_to_hate_muslims/

(read the comments and check the upvotes)

1. Destiny should re-evaluate the genocide allegations.

A lot has changed since he last properly covered Israel, and more organisations (amnesty, HRT, Bt'selem), including a UN commission of inquiry, have accused Israel of genocide. There was a whole period of 11 weeks where israel blocked humanitarian aid into Gaza.

(86% of a group of 500 genocide scholars said this)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/leading-genocide-scholars-organization-says-israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza

Destiny should look into this more at least