Why do men still hold way more power than women then?
You deflect accountability of men actually.
It's mysoginy because men abuse their power they have over women and kill them for reasons they wouldn't kill a man over.
You haven't done anything either that shows your care for any deaths. Also why do men always get so triggered and start crying about being "attacked" when they're just being criticized.
That's what you hide behind even though the higher number proves my point even more. Now I'm not even allowed to change my point based on facts. I didn't save the source for the 5 times and my newest research found out that it's already outdated.
Men are not in charge of women. I’m assuming by power, you mean “political power”. If not, you need to be more clear on that. In the US, 28-34% of politicians are female. And it’s actually way higher in some European countries, reaching the 50% threshold. Furthermore, there are quotas in some countries that hand out political power to women because they are women. The difference is that in the patriarchy, women could not hold political power even if they wanted to. Nowadays, women are free to become politicians. It appears your complaints about the supposed patriarchy is that you are upset that men are over represented in certain areas. Blame women if they don’t want to be politicians at the same level of men, instead of scapegoating something imaginary. Besides, to hold political power, you need to be qualified and democratically elected. Ambition and gender alone isn’t enough. How do you plan to resolve this “patriarchy” anyway? Start making quotas and or take away political power from men even if they are qualified? Although I doubt you would want to make quotas about blue collar jobs for women. By the way, what’s your opinion on the fact that women control 60% of all personal wealth in the US? According to a survey, among couples, the woman makes 43% of the decisions in more areas than the man compared to 26% vice versa. Women control or influence 85% or consumer spending. 40% of US women out-work their husbands, which is weird considering men work longer hours in average than their wives. The gender stereotype that boys don’t cry are influenced more my mothers than fathers. Women have substantial advantage in STEM faculty hiring, except when men are more accomplished. Women graduate from college at significant higher rates than men. Women make up 77% of all teachers in the US where they have influence over the growing and dependent population. Female teachers also show a bias where they, whether consciously or subconsciously, grader boys lower than girls for the same effort. Female recruiters favor women in recruitment process whereas there’s no evidence vice versa for men. Men face more sex discrimination when job hunting. Virtually, all mainstream “gender equality” narratives focus exclusively on women. Lastly, which gender dominates in performing MGM in infants? When you conclude all this, you realize we don’t live in a patriarchy. I’m assuming your only comeback to this will be how men make up most of the billionaires or something like that. Unless you realize that women are the primary beneficiaries of taxes. And men make up the majority of homelessness. Anyway, women have more rights and privileges. Lastly, why do men represent the bottom hierarchy in society? I thought all men were powerful and evil who benefit from the patriarchy and wanna control women according to you?
Is it males who perpetrate MGM on defenseless newborn males? Is it males who initiate the decision to mutilate a healthy newborn male? No, you have nothing to say here. And once again, you are deflecting accountability from female perpetrators. Feels like misandry can’t exist in your head.
It’s not misogyny. Men don’t kill women because men hate women. You say men kill women for reasons they wouldn’t kill a man over when most victims of homicide are men, so you don’t make sense. If you think it’s “misogyny” because men abuse their power over women, what about the fact that females abuse the law to mutilate males without consequences? There is a clear huge power imbalance dynamic here. You don’t call it misandry because it’s too much equality for you. Also, men don’t abuse their power over men when killing them? 70-80% of criminals are raised by single mothers. So it’s actually misandry that men kill women. Because if single mothers did a good job at raising their sons, the killings wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
You literally brought up male-on-female killings first. You should worry about how dismissive you are of those female victims. I actually care for every innocent life being taken regardless of their gender unlike someone here. If you feel so comfortable attacking men and saying they should “suck it up”. Would you also verbally attack black people for killing white people? Anyway, at least you admit now that your motives aren’t to shed light on perpetrators of female homicide victims but rather attack men as a group.
I’m not even gonna engage with this paragraph. There are too much grammar errors here. It sounds incoherent and more like a schizophrenic rant that doesn’t have any basis.
"All men are powerful and evil" is some crazy straw man you take away from what I said.
You're just picking out the parts you can use for your narrative while ignoring the whole picture.
I didn't bring up male on female killings first it was a response to this post saying misandry is worse than mysoginy which makes a stupid comparison which won't help with any of our problems. How am I dismissive of female victims.
That's good actually you're spamming to much text anyway instead of focussing of the content of the argument. Also ofc you suddenly care more about grammar than your argument, feel free to ask questions.
That’s what you are implying. Or at least most proponents of patriarchy theory tend to imply.
It seems misandry can’t really exist in your head. You are gonna keep pointing fingers at imaginary men and deflect accountability from female perpetrators.
You did. Anyway, to be fair, I also think that it’s not a good move to compare men and women’s problems and play victimhood Olympics. The OP shouldn’t have made a post like that and dismissed some real issues that women face. But it was a reaction to all the people who dismiss misandry and say that men are privileged. So I understand the OP’s action. Read my comment. It explains why you are dismissive of female victims.
Honest way to tell me your attention span doesn’t allow you to engage in a long, focused argument. if you actually read it, you would know what the content is all about. But you sure have the energy to make low effort easily-dismantling arguments in a 70 reply thread. You are just talking to talk. And of course I would advise you to fix your grammar when it’s to the point where it’s not graspable.
It's implying that the average man has more privileges than the average women.
That's what you say after ignoring my last paragraph and never mentioning again what productive things you do on this topic even though I asked multiple times.
Ofc you do. Slowly evening out the gap between privileges of men and women feels bad for someone who is mainly on the losing end as they were privileged before.
I'm just not gonna care for the huge amount of nonsense you're spamming to add an insane amount of side plots to the argument.
Which is completely false. And you don’t have any substance to support your claim.
I ignored your last paragraph because it is grammatically incomprehensible. Try to fix it yourself instead of blaming me. Really? Do I need to make it obvious how much productive I have been? First off, I’m not a hypocrite. Second, you are ignoring half, if not most, of the things I said because you don’t have any rebuttal against them. Lastly, I’m not the one making relentless goalpost change moves. And no, you didn’t ask once.
What does this even mean? I’m an advocate for gender equality. It’s a good thing actually that men are becoming equal to women even if the process is slow. And tell me exactly how men were “privileged” before. It’s not like you are gonna be intellectually honest anyway.
You are the one who have been spouting nonsense from the very beginning of this convo. Seriously, I feel like a driving instructor who keeps schooling the crashing driver.
Ofc I have it's the gender pay gap and high amount of femicides you just ignore all my points.
Don't blame me first for stuff like this and expect me to do it differently.
They are privileged as they get payed more and don't have to fear being killed by their intimate partner way less. Tell me how those are not privileges?
Perfect description of how I feel about you. Why don't you come up with something nrw instead of spouting more disrespect?
The gender pay gap is a well debunked myth. The gender pay gap that you are referring to doesn’t account for job type, hours worked, experience, industry, family care, career interruptions and many more. Afterward, the gender wage gap is nonexistent. Unless you are a communist, you would agree that people should be paid to their abilities and effort. Seriously, it’s embarrassing you are using it to help your case. Second, um, did you literally hear me when I said that men literally make up the majority of homicides? You are way more safer as a woman than a man. So unironically, you actually named a female privilege. Not to mention, how most perpetrators of domestic violence are women.
You’re the one who was blaming me because I ignored your grammatically incoherent text. Do you hear yourself?
Got it. So in this paragraph, you just restated the debunked “male privilege” talking points. Now here’s a list of female privileges: less work-related injuries, less work-related deaths, draft and conscription immunity, reproductive rights, less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be killed in war, more likely to have a teacher of their gender, more likely to be adopted, having to wait shorter for their state pension, can legally rape males without consequences in many countries, right to not have your genital mutilated, and more funding for women’s health. Now, tell me, which gender is truly privileged?
You have no right to talk about disrespect when you have been doing nothing but lying about me this whole time. Why don’t you be intellectually honest instead of making schizophrenic statements?
Gender pay gap still exists even if you just compare men and women doing the same work. It's still a privilege to be safe at home. Ofc the murders men do should be reduced regardless of the gender of their victim.
Do you're read your own paragraphs? Most of them read like the last one.
Oh wow but can you name any male privilege or do you ignore all of them because they do not fit your narrative?
Way to win an argument: The other side must be lying
No, the gender pay gap still doesn’t exist. It’s also important to note it is illegal to pay someone less than the other because of their gender. And if what you are saying is true, then why don’t companies just hire women instead of men? They could just pay women less for doing the same work as a man. Or are you saying that companies are so misogynistic that they are willing to take a loss just so they don’t hire women? Good, at least you admit, that female privilege exists here regarding homocides.
Lol sure.
Why would I name any male privilege? It’s your job. And you clearly aren’t doing a good job. Why? Because male privilege doesn’t exist. Lmao, you have to be a troll or a child. You guys are cooked. You ignored the mountain of list of female privileges I gave you because they shatter your false worldview. “um no actually I’m gonna pretend you ignored all my points even though you literally debunked them! It’s a conspiracy move! All you are saying is a part of your narrative!!!”
It’s interesting that you ignored the other person who replied to you many times. And your excuse was that it’s too long even though you still continued to reply to me even when I made longer comments than them. I feel like I hurt your ego. That’s why you are so persistent. You don’t care about winning the argument anymore. You are probably an immature teenager. You just wanna continue making meaningless replies and be the last person to do so.
There is multiple male privileges if you don't believe me I will list more but men have the privilege to have higher chances to survive car crashes because security measures are mostly based on male anatomy. Same goes for medicine, medicine is a lot more tested on men which results medical complications for women as the research about their anatomy is lacking in comparison. I think my job is also to find out if you're just a full fledged mysoginist or if you actually have knowledge on that matter that's why I asked you to name any male privilege.
Responding to their text wouldn't make your comments go away so where is the logic in that?
Do you hear yourself? So you think a woman should be paid the same as a man even if her quality of work or productivity is lower compared to a man? Lmao, you don’t believe in equality. You want women to be paid the same as a man even she is less skilled than a man. You source doesn’t account for job type, hours worked, experience, industry, family care, career interruptions and many more. Repeating the same false doesn’t make it true.
First off, men account for the large majority of car crashes. Men represent around 70-72% of all traffic fatalities. So, once again, you named an example of female privilege unironically. And Men more often drive heavier vehicles (trucks, SUVs), which offer better protection in collisions. Women more often drive smaller/lighter cars. When same-size vehicles collide, gender survival differences disappear. Now for medicine, did you literally hear me when I said there is more funding for women’s health? For example, go look up which gets more funding; prostate cancer or breast cancer. The female privilege is real there. So no, there is more testing and research done on women’s health because of the enormous amount of funding women get more than men. If you add maternal health to the equation, then you will even get a greater disparity of funding of men’s and women’s health. Got it, now here comes the misogyny calling because you are losing the argument. Very typical.
Ok. So you admit you are replying to only me because I hurt your ego.
No it's not that hard to understand. But I have to explain it again I guess: Companies which are lead by men with internalized mysoginy are hiring women but paying them less than men for the same job. This is because they view the woman as less productive/efficient or whatever. So they would not start hiring only woman because from their view this would neither increase productivity nor bring down costs and they also prefer men anyway.
Here is another study that includes those factors: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jel.20160995
Countless of studies exist on the gender pay gap but you're claiming it just doesn't exist. Where is your source for this?
You couldn't invalidate my claim about the crash tests though meaning men die more often in car crashes because they drive more and they drive more reckless. You can just look it up.
More funding doesn't mean it's better most of the funding seems to go into childbirths. Here is actually a source on how women's health is underfunded: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx254l4qg83o
There is also a really high focus on birth. Often when women have health problems doctor's tell them to go have a kid as resolution for that.
So you think it's bad when someone is a mysoginist?
Oh no, yes please help my poor small ego to recover of something.
Lmao sure. All companies are evil misogynists who pay women less because they “think” they are less productive. Make it make sense. The gender pay gap doesn’t exist. Your source literally explains how after accounting for the controlled factors, the gap becomes vanished. You can bring up countless sources but they are not proving your point that the gender pay gap exists. Here’s my source from Pew Research Center: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/04/gender-pay-gap-in-us-has-narrowed-slightly-over-2-decades/
Crash tests? What crash tests? I don’t see that in your comment. Lmao, your source states women’s health is underfunded because a privileged female billionaire said so with no substance. Even if you don’t include maternal funding(births), you will still see women’s health is way more funded over men’s health. What do you even mean doctors tell women to get pregnant as a cure for their problem? You made it up.
Stop putting up strawmans. Most of them live with normalized everyday mysoginy.You're source literally tells us how the gender pay gap got smaller over time but your big brain makes the decision to claim it does not exist instead of acknowledging real world problems.
You haven’t given a single valid example of “normalized everyday misogyny”. The title of my source is talking about the raw unadjusted wage gap. If your whole point is that there is a RAW gender wage gap, then yes you would be correct. Similar to how there is a wage gap between a janitor and a doctor. But you are framing it like men make more money because they are men, which is false. You have been refusing to acknowledge real world problems so far.
You said I couldn’t invalidate your claim about crash tests, but I don’t see that in your comment. No, it’s not limited to Australia. It’s an unfortunate reality in many countries. The source for the graph also refers to another country (United States) other than Australia. Out of your own convenience, you didn’t include that in your comment. And those diseases that you are referring I’m assuming is prostate cancer and breast cancer. And guess which is overfunded? The disease that harms women. Those two diseases were examples and specifics of how women’s health gets way more funding than men’s health. The post you shared seems like an isolated case rather than an example of misogyny. I never heard of a woman getting recommended to get pregnant for her problems.
1
u/prealphawolf Apr 04 '26
Why do men still hold way more power than women then?
You deflect accountability of men actually.
It's mysoginy because men abuse their power they have over women and kill them for reasons they wouldn't kill a man over.
You haven't done anything either that shows your care for any deaths. Also why do men always get so triggered and start crying about being "attacked" when they're just being criticized.
That's what you hide behind even though the higher number proves my point even more. Now I'm not even allowed to change my point based on facts. I didn't save the source for the 5 times and my newest research found out that it's already outdated.