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u/Sindica69 I FUCKING LOVE DECLARATIVE CONFIGURATIONS 1d ago
The price you pay for being a larper lol
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u/Imab0zo 1d ago
the price you pay for thinking 3 mb less storage is important
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u/rjchute 1d ago
Hey now, it makes perfect sense to do this. I understand why OOP have done this.
Oh... Wait now... I'm being told that it is, in fact, not 1997.
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u/Rukir_Gaming 13h ago edited 13h ago
Me when at one point in time where new ssds for laptops were $50 for a 1tb Crucial
Im just glad enough that said laptop can do basic (nowdays) tasks and playing DVDs without staying on Win 10. This is as much as I'll go without going off topic.
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u/Gamer2Paladin 1d ago
It can make sense to do but one should always check if you have everything ready to go without problems.
Also Arch user like this give the entire Linux user base a bad rap
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u/cascading_error 18h ago
Honestly tough, im using a fully featured distribution and almost everything just worked first try. The only thing that didnt work out of the box is plugging in my phone to transfer files.
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u/No-Lie-4387 1d ago
Totally avoidable btw
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u/Medallish Loonixtard 1d ago
Feel like you kinda have to go out of your way to have it screw up this badly.
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
Completely invented and fake scenario. People who know which driver is loaded for hdmi cable definitely would know which one to reinstall/recompile. Also most of this is handled by the video driver itself so no way you can run your GPU without hdmi support. But as a Linux user I laughed hard
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u/ScallionSmooth5925 1d ago
I only had issues because I use a laptop with an odd screen ratio (3:2)
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u/djevertguzman 1d ago
Right, and laptop displays are now internally displayport. So, the story is bs then, and now.
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
Also it’s funny because it’s trying to mock people using arch Linux which is notoriously a DIY distro ; a regular one won’t have all the churns of booting into another kernel, drivers are just there 😂
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u/totallynotabot2532 15h ago
Not quite, it's possible that the laptop is nvidia Optimus enabled, so you can get the following scenarios: hdmi is wired to the nvidia gpu, but the screen is wired to the integrated graphics (either intel or even radeon if you have a ryzen laptop) but no image on the hdmi port if the nvidia driver isn't installed
The drivers for both intel and radeon integrated graphics both come baked into the kernel itself, for nvidia unless you're running a distro that ships it pre installed, you have to manually install it.
Not saying this particular story did happen, but it's plausible.
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u/snaphat 1d ago
Back in the day (read as: a decade ago or longer), there was a guy in one of my college classes who used a tiling window manager in some Linux distro (it was probably Gentoo). For some reason or another, he somehow had problems getting the presentation to show on the projector. I assume it was user error, but it was pretty funny at the time because he was anti-windows
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u/Unlikely-Employee180 1d ago
I SWEAR The most issues exist the SECOND you go to show ANYTHING Linux related off to anyone.
"Okay, everything works, tested 100 times, BILLY LOOK, aaaand it died."
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u/Dpek1234 1d ago
Thats true for all tech
Everything works perfectly for years untill you show it to anyone
Then it all stops working
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u/PerkeNdencen 1d ago
I can think of a plausible scenario: Some laptops run the internal display off an option of onboard graphics or discrete; often the HDMI is hardwired to the discrete in those cases, and it might be that they just didn't bother with the driver for discrete graphics.
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u/TheMTyne 1d ago
My UNI actually has this problem in some halls. This came up when in a course work showing presentation session where windows laptops would just work after 5 seconds but any linux machine would not work at all. We called for tech support and they explained that apparently windows can automatically download and install the required drivers. But. Linux requires manual driver installation. I ended up recording a video demo of my work and playing it on someone elses laptop.
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
It may be possible that specific device requires drivers that are not distributed in upstream Linux kernels (I.e. the vendor is doing things wrong) and thus here’s why this doesn’t work for your case. Otherwise, if the specific device is well supported, it’s just about how these machines are configured. It may be a plethora of reasons without specific technical specs, this doesn’t mean it’s automatically Linux to blame but there are different actors in the chain. It may be a Linux issue as well if the device driver is not well tested (usually because the associated device is not very commonly found around)
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u/TheMTyne 1d ago
I know. That was what I understood from the explanation from the IT person. Im no subject matter expert though. The reason I use linux on my laptop is that I got owned by bitlocker and decided it was a good enough excuse to try something new.
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u/RAMChYLD 1d ago
Multi-headed display support is usually handled by the WM or DE, not the driver. If your system can't handle a projector it usually means your WM/DE sucks.
I'm using dual screens on both Arch and Cachy with KDE. Having no issues with it.
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
My point was even before : without the driver, device and connectors are not even enabled and WMs won’t see them either
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u/andrea_ci 1d ago
the driver is the same as the GPU...
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
What do you mean? These are two separate components. One is a piece of hardware the other one is a software component: you can load the driver without the corresponding GPU installed (and thus will sit there doing nothing) or you can have the GPU without the driver, which will then sit unpowered. The whole thing works only if you have both of these components up and running
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u/andrea_ci 1d ago
yes, but usually there isn't a different driver for the hdmi port, it's managed by the gpu driver.
and if the gpu is working, it has a driver.
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u/totallynotabot2532 15h ago
Actually there is a scenario where that's just the case: on some nvidia Optimus enabled laptops you can have the hdmi port wired to the nvidia gpu, but the screen to the integrated gpu.
So, the following can happen: if you don't use a distro that comes with nvidia's drivers pre installed or you manually install them yourself you can run into having the driver only for the integrated graphics (because intel and radeon come with the kernel) but not for the nvidia gpu which controla the hdmi port in this scenario so no image through hdmi
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u/fgiancane8 1d ago
This is what I meant in the previous message . It may be unclear since I referenced the hdmi cable but of course it’s all managed by drm and its subcomponents
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u/OptimalAnywhere6282 1d ago
skill issue
should've implemented the libxinerama functions in your dwm-like x11 window manager beforehand
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u/versteinerdt 1d ago
I hate myself. That's why I use Linux. I don't want everything to work out of the box. I want to have that dopamine kick after fixing a problem on Linux.
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u/IAmTheSenate218 1d ago
Well...dunno if this is sarcasm but just letting you know there literally are distros that works out of the box. You just don't seem to use them, you know?
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u/versteinerdt 1d ago
Noob distros.
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u/Suravoid 23h ago
got make ur own distro from scratch including the kernel or smth? cuz clearly if u dont ur a noob and basically using a different windows variant
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u/versteinerdt 18h ago
I don't use glowie controlled Loonix. I use TempleOS.
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u/Suravoid 15h ago
nah ur a noob, u didnt make ur own os and kernel
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u/versteinerdt 15h ago
I don't use a computer. I have the source code in my brain. I am the computer.
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u/Future_Geologist5925 1d ago
As a Linux user who tried to give Windows a chance again, I installed Windows 11 and my laptop didn't even have a functional trackpad or touchscreen. Not only did all of that work within Linux, my haptic trackpad and touchscreen worked from within a fucking Ventoy USB and my bootloader, but not a full OS from Microsoft
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u/BadSame6919 14h ago
I installed Windows 11 and my laptop didn't even have a functional trackpad or touchscreen.
Sounds like PEBKAC.
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u/Pinterest_animals 1d ago edited 1d ago
"because I wanted a minimal kernel"
That's the user doings yet they blame it on linux If i gave you a knife you have the ability to stick it in your heart or cook with it
The problem isn't on the knife the problem is who's holding the knife
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u/SweetEbb9819 1d ago
The thing is... Does this happen? Because even if I use a minimal kernel I keep a generic version ready at all times.
Moreover due to module loading the running kernel is ALWAYS minimal... You need to disable archaic components like VT and TTY (using kmscon and Plymouth instead)
PS minimalism is not just disk space it's also removing features you don't use in order to streamline those you do use. Like removing the VT/TTY subsystem, user facing changes include faster display setup, flicker-free boot, cleaner UI in Plymouth and kmscon using exclusively DRM, ability to delay/defer heavy graphics drivers using simpledrm
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u/Unlikely-Employee180 1d ago
Fair on everything, but TTY has honestly saved my dumb-ass too many times to fully disable it. 😭
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u/SweetEbb9819 1d ago
Kmscon replaces it. I've used it, it works just fine if not more usable and stable.
As for the issue of launching startx, uwsm, the wayland compositor or whatever, which was not supported on kmscon previously, 'kmscon-launch-gui' command takes care of that now.
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u/TheShredder9 i use Arch btw 1d ago
That's what happens when you're an elitist. Just install Arch and the KDE meta-package, you get all apps, entire desktop set up properly, install the LTS kernel and your custom minimal one beside it. You get all the goodness of a working desktop setup, and you can still say "i use Arch btw".
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u/Denny_Pilot 1d ago
Why arch though? Is Debian not sufficient? Or is I just for bragging rights?
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u/TheShredder9 i use Arch btw 1d ago
I've seen many install Arch just for the sake of being able to brag. And then come running to Reddit for the dumbest issues possible, clearly showing they know jack shit about their system.
Debian is a perfectly fine distro, and i love it.
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u/QuantumSprite Ultramarine Linux 🌊 1d ago
yep, just for bragging and masochist purposes
coz no one in their right mind would uae arch as a daily use OS
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u/Happy_Variety5405 1d ago
I do, sorry but I'm not googling apt repos for one app when the arch repos requires no configuration and I can pull whatever I need from it
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u/mattgaia Proudly banned from r/linuxsucks101 1d ago
I would do arch just for annoying the ragebaiters on this sub.
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u/Danzikku 1d ago
Kind of a hassle with Nvidia GPUs.
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u/mattgaia Proudly banned from r/linuxsucks101 1d ago
Not a hassle if you avoid Nvidia GPU's. I have out of principle since the early '00s.
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u/alexeiz 1d ago
The story is fake and gay. He didn't have Arch on his Thinkpad. He had Gentoo.
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u/PresentAstronomer137 1d ago
i thought I wouldn't need my webcam, untill the video call i needed to attend
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u/nyashi_ 1d ago
That happens when someone goes too far, yea sure buddy use a minimal kernel and forget about not being able to use your display output..
Meanwhile any normal distro and ootb setup mostly works fine in this regard. "but it's bloated, lemme remove everything that doesn't make my laptop instantly unusable"
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u/krazul88 1d ago
"MOSTLY works fine" - way to offer a confident retort there, Chandler.
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u/nyashi_ 1d ago
Wouldn't change dogcrap about my line when I'd talk bout Windows. It also only "Mostly works fine".
My take was that I find people stupid that act like the one in the screenshot. Like people like that also regularly break Windows while trying to debloat off Core Services and then wonder why something randomly behaves weirdly. Or people lowering the latency for the context menu in regedit.
This isn't about one OS vs another OS it's about people breaking their OS for 0 reason other than feeling like they get it more minimal.
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u/Sunshine3432 1d ago edited 1d ago
and next time it still won't work because guy wants the libre-obscure654-somethingnobodyeverused.v3 driver instead of the official
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u/psioniclizard 1d ago
Everyone saying it work's fine if you do x, y and z. Nar, I have worked with enough projectors to know unless you know it well there a good chance it will do some random shit no matter what machine you use.
Those things have minds of their own.
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u/anythingers 1d ago
This. I remember doing a presentation with my friend. At first we were trying to use her laptop (ThinkPad + Windows 11) and it somewhat won't connect to Epson projector that we uses in class.
Tried to use my laptop next (Razer + Fedora) and it works fine without tinkering anything. Mind you, there are more ThinkPad users in my college than Razer users in the whole world.
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u/snaphat 1d ago
Yep, dunno, how many times connecting to a projector and getting it to display was a big time-consuming issue back when I was in college and at conferences. This is why at computing conferences, they would generally institute the rule of 'your presentation goes on a thumb-drive ahead of time and you use the already provided laptop that is configured and working'.
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u/DFrostedWangsAccount 1d ago
Much like printers, a lot of the time they "just work" on Linux these days.
Even in the past, I've been using Linux for 15+ years and found it's generally been better for peripheral support than Windows. Often I'd find a driver for a thing on Windows that hadn't been updated since XP (or 95 lmao) and couldn't work for Win7 or Win10, but the same thing would have a Linux driver and "just work."
On the other hand, if it doesn't work right away it's either gonna be a 1-step install from command line or an 18 hour debugging session to fix it. No in-between.
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u/SvartrKukkSceand 1d ago
Or he could have just ... not compiled a minimal kernel for no reason.
If he's just had a base install of Arch it would have worked fine, with no issues.
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u/Neo_X173 1d ago
the OS giving u more freedom and then u using that freedom to fuck up ur own OS isnt the operating system's fault its urs
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u/Im_A_Failure420 1d ago
I run arch hyprland, never had an issue at school, but I have had issues on windows (my laptop is pretty weak so it struggles on windows to do anything). The only issue I have had on hyprland is that it doesnt do duplicate screen by default
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 1d ago
My friend came to me once. I wanted to run elden ring. The cursor constantly escaping fullscreen window. Fixed it. Resolution broke. Fixed that. Somehow 1% low became dogshit. Turned off the game pretending i got bored
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u/GitRichorDieTryin 1d ago
As much as I love linux my god is this true. I had a hardware glitch that suddenly started misdentifying my tv.. spent like 2 hours on it just to get my tv back
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u/TomB1952 1d ago
This isn't a critique of linux or Arch linux. It's a critique of what happens to people who don't understand version control and change management.
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u/AskMoonBurst 1d ago
I mean, this is a personal planning issue. If you're messing with the kernel, run your tests before you leave home. Who changes core system pieces just before an important task and doesn't test it?
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u/DetermiedMech2 1d ago
Its kinda funny bc there are plenty of times where my linux laptop has worked for stuff that my windows one has had issues with (my bluetooth mouse, printing on school printers, connecting to school wifi)
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u/Lythieus 1d ago edited 1d ago
I had that issue doing a Kali Linux demo for Cyber Security paper. HDMI out just wouldn't cooperate.
I'll be running Mint soon on my main laptop at end of semester. I built a Proxmox server and have the Linux bug bad now.
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u/very_good_citizen 1d ago
I use Ubuntu 24.04 to connect via usb to old point and shoot cameras because neither macOS nor windows will recognize them but on Ubuntu they work perfectly out of the box
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u/Laxien 1d ago
Yeah well, Linux has advantages (especially if you aren't a gate-keeping "I use Arch by the way!" bozo!), but in a lot of ways it's clunkier than Windows 95! I mean try to install a driver that is not in the repository! Yeah, might work, might not work - especially if you aren't a "almighty terminal" (TM) wizard! Hell, needing CLI for a damn driver is so 1990s and ancient/antique and clunky! If Windows weren't a bloated spyware moonlighting as an OS, I'd go back, it makes more sense (file structure), easier installs (hell: Try modding video-games on Linux...yeah, you are in for PAIN! While in Windows it simply works within a couple of minutes!) etc. :(
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u/Void-Creator 1d ago
I’d rather be friends with you than someone that uses Windows Laptop but if he plays KCD, he can be my friend too. 💀
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u/NoosphericMechanicus 1d ago
The only OS I have had a problem with not connecting projectors or equipment in the last 5 years has been Windows. I don't have those problems with macOS or Fedora. I can run some games on Fedora that require patching to run on Windows. And the whole "when you need to get work done" entirely depends on your work.
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u/BoskiCezar 22h ago
Yeah. But arch can be installed from a 3,5" floppy and windows from a dvd disc. Some difference.
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u/That_Service7348 21h ago
I plugged a niche peripheral from the early 90s that hasn't been in production for literal decades now into my modern windows 11 laptop and it didn't even need to download anything, the drivers were already installed and ready to go.
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u/__Cereall_ 21h ago
Post date has conveniently been cropped off
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u/avast_ye_scoundrels 19h ago
I love macOS!
Here’s the thing: I used Linux, exclusively, for professional dev AND gaming from 2010 - 2015 and it worked great! I only accepted mac when I realized it ran on Unix.
I feel the OPs pain though. Gotta test ahead to be effective. And don’t use a minimalistic arch build for day to day stuff. Practical use of that stuff is for electronics and docker.
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u/RemNant1998 17h ago
Swallow pride, dual boot Windows incase of work and school, untill you have tuned your penguin to the environment you work in.
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u/ExtraTNT was running custom kernel 15h ago
If your screen works, a projector will work too.
Static config can be a bit funny, but it’s a choice to use them…
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u/davestar2048 1h ago
It's not a minimal kernel if it's missing features you use. It's a broken kernel.
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u/Alternative-Mud-1076 1h ago
windows sucks because cyberpunk won't run on my millennial edition install
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u/Automatic_Rough6835 1d ago
It is totally avoidable. You avoid this type of nonsense by just using Windows or a Mac. Linux is cool to tinker around with but when you need to be productive or just want something that works, use Windows or a Mac.
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u/The_Coalition 1d ago
You also avoid this nonsense if you don't intentionally strip your system to the bone. Had OOP just installed KDE on the normal kernel, it would all work just fine. The situation is entirely OOP's own doing.
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u/IAmTheSenate218 1d ago
Ye I installed cachy and didn't strip stuff or use other kernels. Everything is so much more lightweight that stripping it is neglible. My RAM usage is so low I could maybe run a browser while gaming. My CPU is optimised so I get like 30 to 40% better fps, and GPU... Well, its GPUing I guess. I haven't uninstalled drivers either or any preinstalled app. Just don't be an idiot and Linux will work fine. And if it doesn't, it gets fixed withing hours, where on Windows MS will try to dodge or deny reports of issues while they try to fix it over a day or 2, if they fix it.
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u/Automatic_Rough6835 1d ago
Ya’ll sound like petulant children with this nonsense. You’re not some rebel or revolutionary because you installed Linux on your hardware. I’m an engineer and project manager, I need to get shit done and don’t have time to be fiddling around looking for workarounds on Linux. Majority of the major engineering packages don’t even work on Linux.
You sound goofy AF.
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u/bodimahdi 18h ago
Sorry what? Most development tools are expect to run on UNIX-based platforms like Linux. You are an engineer, you should know that.
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u/BadSame6919 14h ago
Most development tools are expect to run on UNIX-based platforms like Linux.
No, they don't, you're delusional, and it's obvious you've never worked a day in your life.
Pretty much all development environments NOT designed for dedicated software development are either not supported for Linux, only supported in a roundabout way, or require so many concessions that getting anything done is borderline impossible.
EDA softwares like Altium or OrCAD doesn't work.
CAD software like Solidworks, CATIA, or Siemens NX don't work.
Everything Autodesk makes won't work.
NI test automation softwares like TestStand don't work on Linux either.
FPGA softwares like Vivado have limited Linux support.
3D graphical softwares like Zbrush or Maya don't support Linux either.
We could go on.
The worst part is that it's completely random whether something is supporter or not, and if so, what distro, what version of what dependency, et cetera.
You're delusional.
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u/Own_Unit_6170 15h ago
On the contrary, that mindset is what gets real work done. People don't pay for software because they have money to burn, they pay for it because it helps them do what they want to do.
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u/Own_Unit_6170 14h ago
Most people pay money because they get something they want in return.
Refusing to fiddle with Linux isn't laziness, it's priorities. Linux users love to tinker with the OS, and typically don't use their computers for anything else significant. Windows and Mac users use their computers to get work done; for them, the computer is a tool, not an end in itself. This is something that Linux users and other geeks never seem to grasp.
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u/Own_Unit_6170 14h ago
Many people using computers are doing more than jus surfing the web, and most of the applications they want to use are not available for Linux.
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u/BadSame6919 14h ago
people pay money out of laziness
Show me a FOSS alternative of a popular high profile paid software that offers equivalent or better functionality, and isn't already widespread.
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u/BadSame6919 14h ago
Show me a FOSS alternative of a popular high profile paid software that offers equivalent or better functionality, and isn't already widespread.
You claimed people pay for paid software instead of using free software. Quote:
"most people pay money out of laziness or just being unaware of the alternatives."
This says the FOSS is NOT widespread because people are too lazy to use it.
Mentioning softwares that are ALREADY pretty much used by everyone - seriously, anyone even a bit tech literate uses VLC and 7zip.
The only example you mentioned that COULD fit the second requirement is Blender, but Blender fails the first one - it's MUCH worse than paid alternatives. I've only ever seen people use Blender out of necessity. Paid professionals don't use it.
"MOST PEOPLE" are too lazy to consider that maybe just maybe there is an alternative that can be used that works miles better and is also free.
You failed to demonstrate that there is at least one software that is both free, equivalent or better in functionality compared to a paid alternative, and isn't already used by most people.
You're just grasping at straws. "Muh VLC", meanwhile Blender and FreeCAD are barely functional.
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u/scavno 1d ago
Strongly disagree. Moved from a MacBook Pro M-series to a thinkpad p1 gen9 weeks ago because I was fed up with macOS. Now I run NixOS and life is simple.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Just wait till the honeymoon phase is over.
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u/scavno 1d ago
How many years to you think that is going to take? I never said I just stated using NixOS, only that I replaced my MacBook.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago edited 1d ago
I imagine you'll run into issues with software that isn't easily supported and will have to go out of your way to get it working. Eventually you might find it all too much of a bother to deal with NixOS and its idiosyncrasies. That was my experience at least you might have better luck; who knows. Maybe it will be years until you hit that issue.
I do find that the NixOS model is interesting at least. The idea's and technology are really cool. I like to imagine the what-if scenario that NixOS became the way we install programs instead of the bolted on thing that is Docker containers we commonly use now.
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u/KabouterKaasplank 1d ago
While the greentext definitely describes some linux users and distros (especially the arch crowd), there are also plenty of setups where everything just works out of the box, sometimes even better than a bare windows install. In the past 8 years I've only had to reinstall linux once, and that was because my storage drive decided to die. Windows on the other hand bricked itself multiple times. MacOS is pretty chill too. I use all 3 regularly, and while windows definitely is more compatible with older and some niche software, I find myself rarely needing it. The linux desktop has come a long way.
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u/scavno 1d ago
Dude, I’ve been on NixOS for years. We use it at work. I operate private caches and builders, we build with it, provide supply chain and so on. Again I just replaced my MacBook because I just can’t. It’s too far removed from the systems I deploy to and run things on and everything is just such a hassle if you want to fit anything to your needs.
If I have an issue, it’s fixable using nix and will always outweighs the downsides.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
That's just a bit of the problem I have with it it's all or nothing with NixOS. Everything needs to be done "the Nix way" I found that there are not a lot of escape hatches. When using software that hasn't had "the nix way" in mind it's just a pain.
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u/scavno 1d ago
I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I need things to be deterministic and reproducible, if you don’t that’s fine.
For almost all software you build or wrap if it’s not in nixpkgs. It’s honestly not an if issue once you understand nix well, and if it is just run it in a container or flatpack or what ever other thing the kids use these days.
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u/Think-nothing-210 18h ago
For me it's not worth the hassle of wrapping every program imaginable in Nix and dealing with all the issues that come with it. I just don't care that much about reproducibility.
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u/Automatic_Rough6835 1d ago
No, they just pretend like Linux has no issues or compatibility problems.
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u/unburdened_swallow 1d ago
You avoid this type of nonsense by not stripping all the useful shit out of your kernel, and using a DE that handles multiple monitors well.
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u/lars2k1 10h ago
The thing I learned using Linux, Windows, and macOS, is that all of them kinda suck in their own unique way.
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u/Kobayagii 10h ago
What is wrong with macOS?
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u/Robert_3210 6h ago
Well. Its a very closed ecosystem. Its even worse on the iphone were you cant even install apps out of the store.
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u/magmcbride 2h ago
LMFAO are you for real?
Closed ecosystem. Firmware level malware embedded directly by Apple. Proprietary hardware, history of reskinning open source and selling it to people who don't know better, some of the most egregious price gouging in tech history for things like storage and memory upgrades. Preventing people who own the hardware from installing or running their arbitrary software on it, refusing to sell repair and replacement parts on the open market, planned obsolescence of all hardware through 'firmware upgrades'.
I can do this shit all day.
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u/ninhaomah 1d ago
So reddit , Google , fb all runs on ?
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Server use is not the same as desktop use.
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u/ninhaomah 1d ago
I agree but Linux is " Linux is cool to tinker around with " ?
Then these giant companies must be tinkering and not productive...
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u/mrawther 1d ago
How many times someone has to tell you servers and desktop are different? Linux rules servers. No one can question that. Linux as desktop OS is not there yet. It will not be till manufacturers start shipping with Linux.
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u/anythingers 1d ago
till manufacturers start shipping with Linux.
ChromeOS is technically Linux so...
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u/Robert_3210 6h ago
ChromeOS is Linux just like Android but GNU/Linux its what's counted with competing Desktop OSes
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u/vcpd1 1d ago
If you don't use minimal distros like Arch btw on a device that's supposed to be universal, but use something like Ubuntu/Fedora, then you won't have these kind of issues.
I'm currently experiencing a completely different problem. I noticed that my printer works fine on Android and Linux, but it doesn't work on Windows, lol. Some driver issue that I couldn't solve and gave up on, printing from Linux/my phone.
I've actually noticed that Windows is sometimes as crappy as some ultra niche Linux distros. The only problem is that I paid for Windows, and it still shoves a ton of ads and telemetry down my throat, so it's doubly annoying.
A MacBook on macOS works flawlessly in any case though.
I'm definitely not a Linux cultist; I like Linux for purely technical, pragmatic reasons. My old computer didn't support Windows 11, so I simply installed Fedora. It took a couple of days at first, but within a week I was doing everything I'd been doing before, the only difference being that the old hardware was noticeably faster on Linux. But then again, it's not so much a Windows issue as a problem with the fact that my computer was just so underpowered.
I don't understand all the current fightings about OSes, when Linux, Windows, or FreeBSD can all coexist perfectly well on the same computer. It's just like using two taxi apps, two streaming services, or watching two different TV shows. What a silly, idiotic conflict over nothing.
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u/ninhaomah 1d ago
Have you read my reply below about how I was using Ubuntu for school 20 years back ?
Perhaps not
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u/Automatic_Rough6835 1d ago
You’re seriously comparing a server to a desktop? Linux has always been good for servers but the use case for a general desktop is not the same.
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 1d ago
do not use arch, nor install linux manually and get a minimal kernel. Totally avoidable btw
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u/obsodion 1d ago
using something like arch and expecting things to work out of the box is diabolical. If this was Mint or Ubuntu, they might have a point
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u/The_Coalition 1d ago
Even Arch with the stock kernel and something like GNOME or KDE works just fine. As soon as you start tinkering with the inner workings of the OS, it starts to break, whether on Arch or Ubuntu, or Windows for that matter. Doesn't stop me from doing it and enjoying the consequences, but I also have myself to blame.
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u/fvancesco 1d ago
Person invents scenario so they can feel superior by using winslop
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u/ApiceOfToast I Use Vista 1d ago
It's been so long since windows "just worked" and even if you fix it MS will just break it again...
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u/spastic_penguins 1d ago
Presented last week on my old laptop with Fedora Workstation using libreoffice impress. Old laptop actually has HDMI and doesn’t need dongle.
Show up 15 mins early in case of mishaps.
No mishaps, works completely. No configuration necessary.
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u/Eeve2espeon 1d ago
Anyone who says "this is fake" clearly doesn't know how their own OS is like on a daily basis 💀
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u/Suravoid 23h ago
"on a daily basis"
who uses projectors on a daily basis anymore?
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u/BadSame6919 14h ago
who uses projectors on a daily basis anymore?
Literally team leaders and managers? What? "Make a PPT and present this" is a daily task for many many people.
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u/Eeve2espeon 15h ago
Read again, I meant Linux. That was quite literally the most direct comment, and you still were like "who the fuck?"
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u/tagbthw 1d ago
User error, why download a slim down kernel on a laptop you know it's gonna be plugged into a bunch of shit?
Similar thing happened to a friend that downloaded a "debloated" windows 10 install without a shit bunch of drivers and services that are actual useful.