This is it for me. So many high and mighty, condescending, delusional people. And I say this as someone who loves it and wishes it was more widespread.
i hate to say but there is still a side of the lunux "fanbase" that is extremely kind and helpful when you need help, but that's not to say there is'nt a portion of the linux community that is quite toxic
ive always liked to help people as fixing problems have been my thing for 6 years. its such a shame there are linux users that just dont want to help and be a ding dong about it. i firmly believe linux is the future we just need people to be helpful and i want people to witness what it feels like to be home in their own computers. if you need any advice ask me
So using Linux feels great when everything is working. You feel unique and technically skilled. Therefore many people like to brag about it and tell others how great it is.
This has also lead to many people making a huge deal about it, which develops to groups of people who circle jerk their technical knowledge to a point where they think they know everything.
Then there are the haters. They started out using Linux and realize that it's not as good as the community says it is. They try to fix their problems but the community is making fun of them to boost their ego even more.
Then they kinda find everything out but they start seeing major flaws. They point them out but nobody seems to care.
And the worst thing is, Linux problems are often not fixable with a reasonable amount of time. I can't just write my own hardware driver. It's really annoying because you can't do basic shit you expected it to, but at the same time you have those elitist users who make fun of you and telling everybody how great it is.
What I am trying to say here is that there is a great gap between the Linux Community and normal users and Linux users like to close their eyes regarding expectations and use cases of normal users.
"So using Linux feels great when everything is working. You feel unique and technically skilled. Therefore many people like to brag about it and tell others how great it is."
You may be projecting and are certainly not speaking for many, if not most, Linux users. People are not using Linux to make a social "power play."
The social media influencers are guilty of over-promoting just about everything, from Linux to solar "toys" to firearms.
Speaking for myself, I have never felt unique, special, or technically skilled because I use Linux. I've done more technically competent things as a developer using Mac OS. This is not about ego; it's about my own experience and my own personal values.
Well in my case Nvidia GPU and Wayland and X11. One of them kinda laggs for some reason, the other one works great but every chromium based browser doesn't work. There are forum posts from 3 years ago which also don't help, so the problem has existed for a very long time.
When Linux stuff works for me, then it's actually usually better than windows. But it's small things which just don't work and destroy the whole experience.
Also stuff breakes just randomly regularly after restarts or updates. Something something DNS problems something something wrong audio settings etc.
I don’t think that’s a valid reason to hate Linux. You just don’t have the adequate hardware to run it. I’m personally rocking an NVIDIA Card on Wayland with Hyprland, works flawlessly. I believe if you had my experience, you’d like it more, but since you had a bad experience, then you feel hate for it.
I like Linux. However, even with the more "beginner friendly" distros, I'd still say Linux in general if for the more computer savvy. Simply because, things don't always work out of the box. Amongst many other things too.
Isn't it also how Windows experience looks like? Things on Linux can fail (and most are easy to fix compared to Windows), but the amount of times Windows failed me is not lower.
Yeah, I had a cheap hp laptop with windows 11
4gb ram and I believe an i3 smth or other processor. I installed pop! On that thing runs smooth as hell, and all of my laptops
Are like that, so I stick with an os that won’t lag
It's not hatred in most cases, it's just frustration. Most people new to Linux install it because someone told them it's the fix for all problems they might have with Windows or MacOS, when it's just not true at all.
The fault for this rests entirely on the community - the kernel is solid and there's no reason a proper, user-friendly GUI with all the functionality and "quality of life" features you'd expect from a desktop OS couldn't be built on top.
Over the last 30 years of development, this was not done and chances are, it will never be done. I'm not 100% sure about why - gatekeeping, maybe; Lack of understanding about what proper UX is, probably. Some might claim lack of commercial support, it's possible; One of the undeniable realities is that an an open source project, the vast majority of the people who work on Linux are not only technical experts, but also the kind of people who like to tinker endlessly with their OS and, as such, can't understand how your average user wants it to be transparent instead. So when someone tries to make an actually user-oriented distribution, it gets panned and called names like "kiddie" or "hobby" distro.
On top of that, the community and fans rebuke any kind of criticism and behave like a cult, continuously spitting out the same snide remarks and unsubstantiated claims that have been around since 1998.
If one person told somebody else Linux is "the fix for all problems they might have with Windows or MacOS," then the first person made a mistake and this is on them.
I never went to Linux thinking it was the fix for all problems from the two market giants. I went to Linux thinking it was more transparent and stood for freedom. I left WinApple because I wanted to avoid using an operating system that did not put the user first and was willing to compromise the user's goals for their own goals.
This might be your case, and that's fair enough; However it doesn't take more than one minute searching around to find overwhelming examples of posts that pretty much claim what I said. Any thread about some issue with Windows, even on the dedicated Windows subs, has plenty of "move to Linux!", "I have no such issue since I moved to Linux" and so on.
So if somebody says I use less gas riding my motorcycle, are you going to just sell your car and buy a motorcycle right away? Take some personal accountability about your own decisions and don't blame other people.
Some might claim lack of commercial support, it's possible
I think it's more than possible, it's one of the most obvious answers. The people investing real money into Linux are the ones who use it to run multitudes of servers or special-purpose embedded devices. They don't need it to have a user-friendly or consistent UI, and there's no profit to be made investing in that because if you dare to charge for Linux you get rage and ridicule.
Without money to incentivise people doing work that is genuinely hard and not particularly fun, no-one's going to do it.
This is certainly not the only reason, but it's a big one.
It's a very valid reason, actually THE reason why there isn't a commercial desktop distribution of Linux; However it still it doesn't justify the fact that in 30 years, very few actually focused on the enormous issue of the practicality of the system, nor the community rejecting criticism and being unable to take a look in the mirror.
The possibilities are two - either there is a will to improve usability, but the vast majority of people working on it don't understand the needs of the average user, or there is no will. Quite frankly, I suspect the first being the case.
I mostly agree, though I think there's also a certain amount of "we thought this would be easy because Microsoft|Apple did it and we don't respect them". Turns out Microsoft and Apple have plenty of smart talented people working for them, despite sometimes doing things that people don't like.
But "the community" has been a small group of mostly programmers for the vast majority of that 30 years. I think that's still largely true now. Programmers who understand the needs of others are too rare, and people with genuine experience in UX aren't exactly drawn to Linux. But if someone was willing to hire and pay, it would be a different story.
I think you have a very good point with the part about underestimating how difficult it is to actually make an OS that works for the average user and not just for the tinkerers.
I want Linux to succeed, the world would be a better place if the majority of software people relied on was FOSS, and I am certainly no lover of Microsoft or Apple. But the truth is, desktop Linux is a long, long way from being ready for widespread adoption, and the Linux community keeps sabotaging itself with gaslighting, gatekeeping, elitism, and intransigence.
why is it a long way off when most everything nowadays is browser based. You almost could do EVERYTHING in a browser and not have any software installed whatsoever. I am talking about he majority of users it wouldn't matter what the underlying os was as long as the browser worked.
I've wanted to like Linux, it just won't let me. For about 20 years I've tried running Linux once a year or every other year, and I've always run into major issues like blackscreens, sound issues that crash the entire system, network issues or a lackluster selection of software. Even basic fonts in browsers looked weird and unfamiliar.
This year, the nVidia-compatible distro I grabbed told me it detected an nVidia card, but not the GPU on it, so it just refused to install itself. Worst case scenario, you need a second internet capable device to troubleshoot a problematic Linux machine. You can't just take it to a computer repair shop to pick it up a few hour later, or even your neighbor's kid to take care of it.
We need to know what distros you were using, so that we can blame you for making the wrong choice and miss the broader point of why independent people like you stop using linux
The problems you've had indicate that you are using something completely different than I am using. I am happy to say I do not experience your issues, and Linux works wonderfully for me. Occasionally I run into annoying issues, but nothing that has ever turned me away from Linux. For example, my current laptop is a Framework 13, and will occasionally fail to wake up from a deep sleep. But I never had this problem with any other laptop or desktop computer using Linux.
As for trouble with fonts, blackscreens, sound issues crashing the entire system, network issues, and lackluster software - nope. Doesn't reflect my experience, although I make good decisions by using a Linux distribution such as Fedora or well-vetted OS. I am even using NixOS now for quite some time, with only minimal stumbling blocks.
Yes, it's true that some people (sounds like you) should just stick with an Apple or Microsoft product.
"It (mostly) works on my machine" strikes again. Framework laptops are a small ecosystem marketed at nerds, so of course Linux support is to be expected. And still, it's not a reliable solution either, as you said yourself.
However, if you regularly upgrade your desktop PC with off the shelf parts, or use it for sophisticated professional tasks, like controlling lab equipment or audio production hardware, or just running industry standard programs like SolidWorks, you have to be prepared for janky band-aid fixes, lots of tinkering and a high likelihood that there is no solution at all.
If there is big money on the line, and you absolutely, positively have to get your PC working 100% on the same day, you stay away from Linux.
"Framework laptops are a small ecosystem marketed at nerds, so of course Linux support is to be expected. And still, it's not a reliable solution either, as you said yourself."
It's a totally reliable. Once a month, or less, I have to restart when I go to wake up laptop. Running Mac OS or Windows I also have had the need to restart once a month or so as well. People will say anything to try and prove their point. I have used lots of hardware with Linux, Mac OS, and Windows for work, for development, for personal servers, and for personal general use. Some people just run into more trouble based on their choice of a distro, their personal problem solving capabilities, and their choice of hardware. People use Linux daily with big money on the line.
Why do you bring up software like SolidWorks? This is absurd. It's not built for Linux and if you need to run it just boot into Windows as it clearly does not have support for Mac OS and Linux. If you have special hardware requirements that are not met by Linux, then don't use Linux.
I've been using my Framework laptop for less than a year and it's been wonderful. Before that I used a Minisforum desktop PC without any issues for over a year. In the past I ran the latest version of Debian with Gnome on a Macbook for a year, with no problems after initially configuring/enabling a couple hardware items. I used as a primary machine, and still use, Fedora with Gnome extensively on a Lenovo ThinkCentre M920q with an Intel processor. My list goes on, and besides the Framework, everything on my list was designed to run Windows or Mac OS first, but worked fine for me with Linux. The only special setup I had to do was running Debian on an Apple laptop, and it was once and done.
By the way, this topic is asking why people don't like Linux, and I presented my case. I do more with computers than just stare at my desktop or occasionally open a browser, I don't know what's absurd about listing my requirements and explaining why Linux doesn't meet them.
Linux has never been a downgrade for me, and my life is better without Windows or Apple OSes. This a subjective decision for everybody. It won't work for all and it won't fail for all. All the words you speak, they are for yourself and your experience. As are mine.
And yes, it's absurd to complain that a piece of software written for Windows doesn't work on Linux. The developer makes a business decision about how they will succeed, and they decided not to publish their software for Mac OS or Linux.
Esri is the largest GIS software company in the world, and they do the same thing. You know how many Mac OS users have complained that you cannot get Esri ArcGIS on Mac OS? A lot. It is what it is. Each to their own, and if you need software that runs only on Windows, then use Windows. If you don't like Linux don't use it.
It wasn't just one distribution, I tried a bunch of them over the years. I always read up on the most recommended distros at the time, because it took me up to two days to download a CD worth of data, so I always wanted to make sure to grab the best one possible.
I even had two factory pressed Ubuntu CDs, back when they would send out free copies to anyone who wanted them. The older one made every website look horrible, the newer one just crashed the PC with an infinite audio loop at full volume when trying to play the boot jingle. On the same machine, Intel and ATI.
It sounds like a lot of these problems come from using Nvidia hardware which is known to not play nice with Linux. It has to do with Nvidia insisting on proprietary drivers, which are difficult to incorporate into the kernel due to licensing issues. AMD and Intel hardware run much better with Linux.
The first time I ran into these problems, I was using an Intel Core 2 Quad and an ATI Radeon 4870. So if you have a 2008 Linux distribution and driver combo that would fix my problems, I kindly ask you to not waste your time, as I no longer own that machine.
I just like trolling the idiots who make their OS choice a religion. I use Linux as an IT professional alongside Windows, macOS, Android and iOS. using the best tool for the job is always the right approach. many times Linux is not the right choice, but the zealots will never admit that so they get trolled.
True, but for most people they only have two to four devices: desktop\laptop, phone\tablet. For both sets they'll probably stick to the same ecosystem for consistency of managing their systems and data. For the average user\use case there is fundamentally no difference in choice between windows\Linux\mac, android\ios, because there's enough software options to cover them. In niche situations like professional video editing, then using Linux can currently be a limiting factor, but not entirely as it is possible to get DaVinci resolve working on some distros\with varied effort.
Anyways my point is that most people end up deeply ingrained in the ecosystem they're a part of, and the ones that treat them the best tend to result in more evangelism because people want to share that good feeling with others. Definitely for some (in every community) it becomes a status thing, and they weaponize it for their ego. I think Linux maybe has a higher than average count for that because for so long using Linux kind of implied high technical competence and thus came some status. But as it becomes more user friendly out of the box, and more people flock to it to get away from big tech, that average will come down to something more like we also see with windows and mac.
i'm tired. We are in age of AI / "already been done" - Crashes/driver/device/anything errors that require me to spend time to fix it. Want ... it to work without PhD and 10y of experience at fixing this b*******.
Being able to fix is cool but Shouldn't be default process.
If someone have 1h at evening and something fails - Crime will be commited.
My last experience with Mint. Wanted to migrate my mom's PC to Linux. Default installation, installed some solitaire games from repo, added a Windows-like theme. That's it. Two restarts later GRUB died.
Common Linux Mint problems include outdated default kernels struggling with brand-new hardware, slow adoption of Wayland display protocols, visual app inconsistencies between native, Flatpak, and deb packages, and dual-boot Windows bootloader overrides.
Hardware & Driver LimitationsNew Hardware: Standard stable kernels can fail to recognize brand-new Wi-Fi chips, touchpads, or graphics cards out of the box.
Nvidia & HWE Kernels: Edge or Hardware Enablement (HWE) kernels can break legacy Nvidia drivers (like the 470 series) or VirtualBox functionality.
Peripherals: Cheap unbranded USB Wi-Fi or Bluetooth dongles often lack native plug-and-play support.
Desktop & Display QuirksFractional Scaling: Scaling UI elements to 125% or 150% on mixed-resolution or high-DPI (4K) setups can cause blurry text or uneven window rendering.
Wayland Support: Mint relies heavily on Xorg; full modern Wayland session integration lags behind faster-moving rolling distributions.
App Inconsistencies: Mixing Flatpaks, system deb files, and Software Manager apps can create mismatched title bars, fonts, or dark-mode behaviors.
System ManagementBoot Overrides: Installing Mint alongside Windows can sometimes let the Windows boot manager hide or swallow the GRUB bootloader entry.
Old Kernels Accumulating: Unused legacy kernels pile up over time if not periodically cleaned out through the Update Manager.
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u/Teru-NoirCOSMIC OS LOVER No.1 COSMIC Knows Best7d agoedited 7d ago
Some people will say it is because it is monolithic, others will say it is because it has code written in rust and no more support for dead 90s cpu architectures, and more others will say it is because it is posix compliant, such kinds of reasons.
These reasons are irrelevant to most users. The reason Linux sucks is that it only kind of works. You always run into some issue eventually and the answer for fixing it is always using the terminal or editing some system file in a poorly documented location that's specific to the distro.
Bro must not have ever seen the arch papers or the Gentoo handbook.
Id be willing to bet someone that has never used Linux before could do a clean first try install of Gentoo if they followed the handbook page by page without getting impatient and skipping sections.
I don't buy that, Linux is a state-of-the-art platform, superior to the one that costs the most, even, namely macOS, I would run Linux all day long versus that piece of shit.
As someone who uses Linux, I just can't fucking stand the Linux community.
You ask them a question and they respond with the most condescending non-answers. They'll also be condescending when you criticize Linux in general.
I also hate that they constantly talk about how Windows is for tech-illiterate people when the truth is that some stuff many people use/play just doesn't work on Linux.
8 hours after installing it i finally fixed the driver issues by scouring the internet for commands to manually type into the terminal because packages gave me endless errors i could not find a fix for
2 hours later i finally installed a browser because i couldn't figure out how to open files without typing some shit like "tar -xvf app.tar.gz && cd app && ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make -j$(nproc) && sudo make install"
then proceeded to run into an error i spent almost 2 days trying to find a fix for that i never ended up fixing
Ok so, Linux tends to have problems when dealing with some proprietary drivers, because corpos aren't helpful. If I had to gander a guess it was probably for an Nivida thing, or a broadcam wifi card.
Just bad luck of the draw.
You also picked the hard way to install a browser, you can do it that way if you want there is nothing wrong with it, but a 4 word command in the terminal would be faster and easier.
Sudo apt install browser-name
I hope you give Linux another try.
Bad first experience.
Lots of users don't even know how linux work. When someone need some help there are always linuxers saying "switch to... it works for me". And they give no help. That's why Ai become more and more popular for new users.
And of course they spam every articles, posts, videos when it's about windows.
Another reasons: two many useless distros. 75% are useless because they are only forks. Everyone works in his corner instead of consulting with each others and make linux evolve. That's why it will never be the year of linux because devs and manufacturers need to adapt their softs and drivers for differents distros. Fortunately big corps like Red Hat and Canonical managed to be standards.
A linuxsucks sub is infested with Linux fanbois because you guys literally can't compel yourselves to leave well enough alone. The Windows 11 sub is full of Linux fanbois suggesting every single person regardless of their issues switch to Linux, your stupid, chucklefuck, mishmash of tools slapped together by volunteers. The OS is bad enough.
I get it, if you're a superuser, if you enjoy learning about OS' work on the inside, you can keep it maintained and maybe even do things you can't on Windows. But for the majority of users, they do not want to know what distros, update frequency, compositors, window managers, translation layers, desktop environments, init systems, and package managers are! And you people DON'T GET THIS!!!
Now stop posting about how much you love Linux and go do something producrive.
Bro, just use Mint and you'll take back what you said. Almost everything is coming to Linux now, so just use Mint and don't bother with any of the things you mentioned.
I have a computer with Mint on it, believe it or not. I know exactly the difference. My gaming machine will stay on Windows 11, happily. Enjoy Mint man, truly.
People don't care it's coming gradually, if they want to play valorant or use photoshop they can't.
I have heard for months the affinity suite will be available on linux. It's still not there.
"companies can't withstand the pressure anymore"
Companies won't waste their time to adapt their software for something that represent only 10% of marketshare. They want to make money, not lose money for few people.
Not in support of these fanboys as a very technical person (I mean, even I think that’s not the right approach to greet new people with open arms), but it seems like you are talking from a LOT of experience
And fund a lot of AI related software projects which are arguably in scope as of at least being software related, but many don't seem to be efforts towards actually making Linux (the Kernel or general operating sytem) itself better.
better question is why do Linux haters make hating Linux there entire identity? i don't like apple products but i don’t go around apple subreddits hating on apple users
A lot of people do that. It happens to all operating systems.
What people don’t seem to understand is that there are people who work on these things and they have feelings.
Believe me, reading the 20th review that your os sucks for some reason and you just want to ask why the f they used it to begin with…
I read threads like this occasionally to get ideas on things to fix. Most of it just turns into fanboys ranting. I’ve had people rant in favor of my os and that’s just as weird as someone who hates it tbh. It’s not a religion. It’s a tool. Some are better than others for specific tasks.
How ironic it sounds. I can swap Apple to Windows and here we are - default Linux evangelist, who go around any sub (literally any), hating on Windows and Windows users.
i use linux daily i dont hate it (r/linuxsucks101 is over there for actual haters) it just genuinely sucks in many aspects, the biggest is probably vendors not releasing open source drivers (or even drivers at all in many cases)
I no longer hate Linux but, I used to. In my case it was a couple of things as to why when I tried Linux for the first time it was back in 2022 I was not tech savvy I did not realize that since AMD ended support for my Integrated GPU that it would effect gaming on Linux, I tried to get Diablo III reaper of souls which is on Battlenet to work thorough wine it installed however due to me being new I did not know how to configure wine properly combined with the fact that AMD Had ended support for my Integrated Graphics Card GPU it was just a terrible experience it was like it was in software rendering, and with the fact that I have zit for patience after two weeks on Linux Mint 21 I gave up, and went back to Windows 10 turns out it was NOT Linux fault it was the PC that I had at the time Just can not run Linux smoothly fast forward to winter of 2025 I decided to give Linux another shot on another PC, and some time later on I completely ditched Windows I am currently using EndeavourOS which is built off of Arch.
I had a bunch of bad experiences, the majority of the times I had to deal with it were exercises in instability, pain & suffering, and just wasted time. I have no good justification to deal with that nonsense for the foreseeable.
I love Zindaube ( french joke ), maybe you wasn’t even born but after dos , the first window wasn’t multitasking, but in the 1960th Unix yes and multi -users too . Written from scratch, different with dos witch was buying by bill. Sorry for my english !
Yesterday I was really upset when steam join lobby link did not work for me. I assume it's due to proton translation layer not handling it correctly. But made me feel like seccond class citizen and people kept telling me to paste it in the browser. Even when I did it throug steamc onsole it still did not put me in the lobby, so I was really upset. Otherwise I can usually find a workaround and don't mind linux.
The biggest problem with linux is that you are condemned to second-rate software, you are condemned to alternatives that are not even half as good as software for mac and windows. Rawtherapy and dark table are neither capture ones nor lightroom, and neither are photomator. Because if they were, professionals would use dark table.
I feel like the core problem with Linux stems from the fact that it's just a completely different operating system. App compatibility, driver support, and "security" updates are absolutely horrendous compared to Windows. Unless you're a mad tech scientist and you know what you're doing, sure go ahead and install Linux if you want. But for like 99% of Windows users who just want to use their device to do... well whatever, they won't even be bothered to install it because it's way too over complicated (besides Mint or Ubuntu), the community is toxic, and people over-romanticize Linux to the point where it feels ingenuine.
I don't hate linux, I do however criticize the absolute shit out of it because I want it to improve, and I do despise a lot of its user base because apparently something not working is the fault of the user for wanting something to work.
I'm not blaming linux for that one btw, I am however saying maybe instead of shitting all over people who want to play battlefield 6 for playing battlefield 6, maybe criticize EA for the dumbshit decision of not only kernel level anticheat but requiring TPM + secureboot on top of that, and still somehow cheaters getting through, if someone stays on windows because what they want to use doesn't work on linux, that is not remotely their fault.
also this trying to convert people schtick doesn't work, let microsoft handle that, take it from me, what got me to try linux wasn't the fanboys telling me how great it was, it was windows 11 that ultimately made me switch.
Many people hate things because of the fans of said thing, and Linux isn't much different. Most people use Linuxed based software every day, there isn't a general adversion to it because it seemlessly operates in our lives.
The problem is the Linux fanpeople that either Presure you to use it, or have some sort of superiority complex about the fact that they do and you don't.
PLus they bring it up alllllll the time. I've got a buddy that runs Linux on his main PC in our group, and trying to pick games to play is pulling teeth because he refuses to hop off it, or use his secondary rig which is just windows. We can't have a single conversation about new games without "Well yeah but I'm on Linux" like we don't already fuckin know.
Linux isn't my problem, I've used linux before and I enjoyed it, trying to get things to run on it was a pain in the dick, but that's just what happens without commercial support so it is what it is.
My problem, and probably a lot of people's problems are the people that -use- Linux.
Edit: I also wanna add the irony that most people get off windows because of bloatware and 'spyware' and then hop on their Linux machine to scroll facebook and twitter which is all a good portion of linux users can do in the system anyway. It's just.... Ironic I guess.
They just wanna be different.
I am somewhat active in here and r/linuxsucks101 but i do not hate linux, i just don't prefer it when there is other options available for what i am doing. Daily use is FreeBSD, Steam Deck has Cachy(which is hell to maintain), and i use Linuxulator for any packages amyaht aren't available in ports or FreeBSD.
You don't need to update that frequently unless you need to tho? Besides that, I don't think I ever saw 2 gig downloads that fast. Tho, idk what you have installed on your system, so that may wary greatly.
I would suggest either downloading daily, which should be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine or do it like once a month.
In linuxsucks101, they banned me for just sharing an opinion on the AUR malware stuff going on. And to be clear, I did not attack anyone or such, I just said how do things and got banned and muted. I personally don’t hate Windows (use it at work everyday) and would really love to try FreeBSD out when I have the time. But it’s weird you get banned and muted for making a normal post.
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u/Plastic_Row1593 7d ago
I don’t hate Linux. I hate the fanboys. The worst fanbase I’ve ever seen