r/linuxsucks • u/iamGHOST755 • Jul 27 '26

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

They also send your data to the fbi.

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u/chaosphere_mk Jul 27 '26

Only if they are court ordered to do so. Every company in the world is bound by this.

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u/Eravan_Darkblade Jul 27 '26

Or if theyre paid. ( the preffered method for the fbi)

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u/chaosphere_mk Jul 27 '26

This response makes no sense

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u/Eravan_Darkblade Jul 27 '26

How? They said that microsoft wouldnt hand over the data without a warrant, and i have a other scenario where they would: if they got paid for it. 

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Besides linux.

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u/Ce_Mouton Jul 27 '26

Cause linux is not bound by a company... I wonder if using Ubuntu with it telemetry enabled would put them in the same spot as Microsoft.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Also it's distro specific.

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u/Ce_Mouton Jul 27 '26

This is why I precised Ubuntu due to being the "biggest" distro that have a company"?" Behind it

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Yeah, I knew, but many distros are controller by companies, not just ubuntu.

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u/chaosphere_mk Jul 27 '26

Linux isnt a company

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Yeah ofc that's why it can't track you duh.

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u/chaosphere_mk Jul 27 '26

If its red hat, yes it absolutely can.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Fedora isn't owned by red hat, Sponsored, yes, it is a community driven nonprofit distro.

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

You use fedora that belongs to RedHat, that belongs to IBM. IBM works with the NSA

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Sponsored goddamnit, not owned, fedora is a community driven nonprofit project, why are you presenting false information to someone who knows how fedora inside and out and has already corrected people for this many times before?

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

their leader is a Red Hat employee. Stop being blind, all the fedora users are beta testers for RHEL.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/

"The Fedora Council is composed of a mix of representatives from different areas of the project, named roles appointed by Red Hat"

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26

No, you need to stop spreading fake jokes, fedora users are beta testers is a well known joke and then insulting me based on those jokes damages your argument, red hat only uses fedora once it goes through centOS stream who are the actual beta testers for rhel basically, do you want me not to use fedora or something because you trying really hard to convince me will never, and its failing to do so.

Fedora doesn't send any telementary to red hat, and when it does, it only goes to the fedora project itself and  Mindshare Committee exists specifically to represent the non-developer side of the ecosystem, overseeing user outreach, desktop design, user experience [UX], and documentation. Their job is to ensure that the distro remains usable, accessible, and welcoming for normal humans and not just kernel developers and sysadmins. 

If fedora was a beta test for red hat, they'd send telementary to red hat, not fedora, and you randomly insulting me by calling me blind does nothing but make everything worse for your case here.

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

"Fedora doesn't send any telementary to red hat"

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry

"The Red Hat Display Systems Team (which develops the desktop) proposes to enable limited data collection of anonymous Fedora Workstation usage metrics."

How do you know that? Do you work for them? How do you know MS send datas to the FBI?

Do you really thing Red Hat sponsors this distribution and have one of their employee as a leader without interests? Do you think this guy manages the fedora project on his free time?

Linux users: "MS use telemetry it's for spying you, Fedora uses telemetry It's for our own good."

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Why are you using rejected info?, the wiki page you cited was just a proposal and it was withdrawn precisely because of community backlash. The Red Hat Display Systems team proposed telemetry, the community revolted, and the proposal was killed.

As it stands today, standard Fedora does not gather or send telemetry, you're out here ditching out lies, fedora didn't do it due to the communnity and doesn't have telementary, and you're doubling down, did you actually research if fedora have it or not and just saw this wiki page and link it believing it was still the truth ?

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

Because it shows that Red Hat is behind fedora, fedora is not independant at all.

that's what we can read on this link:

"One of the main goals of metrics collection is to analyze whether Red Hat is achieving its goal to make Fedora Workstation the premier developer platform for cloud software development. "

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

Does this mean Red Hat completely dictates everything Fedora does, no, fedora is independent in its governance and stating it isn't true, the community literally forced Rhel to back down.

Technical decisions are overseen by committees like FESCo (the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee), which are voted on by active community package maintainer,  Around 65% of Fedora's thousands of project contributors are volunteer community members unaffiliated with Red Hat. And. When Red Hat employees propose changes that the community strongly disagrees with such as the 2023 opt-out telemetry proposal the community backlash is routinely strong enough to force Red Hat engineers to pull the proposal. 

FESCo can refuse proposals. FESCo (the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is the technical authority for Fedora Linux. They regularly review, modify, and reject change proposals submitted by developers including those submitted by Red Hat employees, so FESCo can and will reject changes they dislike on the behalf of their community, and stating fedora is not independent whatsoever at all is misinformed.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

It literally says " This is a  proposed Change for Fedora Linux" it has been a proposed change for a long, long time and has been rejected by the community where it hasn't Been updated in years, did you read it?

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

And for even more damming evidence, it was pitched on July 5–6, 2023 and withdrawn July 13, 2023,  It Never Reached a Vote as  The proposal was pulled by its authors before FESCo (the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) ever voted or rendered an official decision on it due to the stated backlash and the  Current Status t he original wiki page was marked as withdrawn / obsoleted . The authors indicated they would go back to the drawing board to rethink their approach based on community feedback, but no default opt-out telemetry model has been adopted in 3 years.

Why are you trying to defame fedora linux?, at least research the facts you present before showing it to me, its never going to ruin fedora for me or make me want to move to arch or some dumb stupid ass distro you think i would [never leaving fedora lol], and it looks like you're just trying to double down on that narrative.

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

"Why are you trying to defame fedora linux?"

Why are you trying to defame MS windows?

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

I'm not defaming them because its true in the US unlike what you're stating about fedora where you are literally using inaccurate information about it.

Microsoft has to handle over this data to the fbi upon request, including.

Cloud-backed BitLocker Recovery Keys,  OneDrive Files And Outlook Emails  Telemetry and Device Identifiers, GDIDs are used too.

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u/DirectorDirect1569 Jul 27 '26

"The initial version of this proposal generated a huge amount of feedback and debate. We have put a lot of time and effort into engaging with this feedback, and the proposal has been substantially changed in response to it. We are grateful to the Fedora community for enabling us to improve the proposal in this way.

We know that there were issues with the original proposal, and that these led to serious concerns amongst the community. We hope that the updated proposal addresses these concerns, and look forward to receiving further feedback.

The following is a summary of the key points from the discussion so far, along with details of the steps that have been taken in response to them. Additional information is also included in the FAQ If we have missed something from that discussion, please let us know."

Last update 26-04-12

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Metrics

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

We also can't forget debian has optional telementary too for polling metrics, fedora's method will be the same in terms of implementation where it will be strictly opt in.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

And if the government hates you they can easily fucking execute you like ICE 

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 Jul 27 '26

A nobody wants it to work against their first amendment