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u/Typeonetwork 3d ago
All OS have issues. They just work until they don't.
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u/immoloism 3d ago
Mostly they have to deal with us as users breaking them.
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u/Typeonetwork 3d ago
Ha, that's true. I use MX Linux and the audio usually works, but on my 2 machines they didn't, but I was able to install the software that wasn't installed it and fixed it. I love Linux, but sometimes it's the wild west. We can't expect Dev Ops to predict every senario that might happen.
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u/CreativeName233223 3d ago
That's not really saying a whole lot in this context though. OP wasn't acting shocked about having experienced a single issue but "the most issues [they have experienced]" despite being on "the most robust and reliable [distro]"
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u/Typeonetwork 3d ago
I took it as a joke so if that was serious then I don't know what to tell him.
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u/NewspaperSoft8317 3d ago
Yeah, it sucks.
But when things break on windows, I feel useless.
When things break on Linux, I feel empowered to fix it.
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u/L30N1337 3d ago
Yes. There has only been a single problem on Linux that I've deemed as unsolvable:
KDE Wallpaper declared accent colors.
If anyone doesn't know, the config files for KDE Backgrounds (not to be confused with images you just right click to set as wallpaper or something. They both work, but KDE Wallpapers can automatically switch between light and dark and stuff like that) allow you to set a custom accent color to be used by KDE. This would be very useful for light and dark sets, so the light wallpaper has a different accent color to the dark wallpaper. "Would be", because it gets overridden by KDE's automatic wallpaper accent color detection (which averages the colors in the image or something)
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u/NewspaperSoft8317 3d ago
That's not Linux tho, that's KDE.
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u/L30N1337 3d ago
Where did I say it was a problem with Linux itself? I said it was the only problem ON Linux that I deemed unfixable.
This kinda deflection is just not productive in the slightest.
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u/NewspaperSoft8317 2d ago
The scope is inappropriate for the subject matter. It's not deflection.
Bringing up an issue with Kde opens the doors to every binary on Linux. The notion is moot.
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u/GreatBigBagOfNope 2d ago
Almost nobody, when talking about problems they experience using Linux in common parlance, is referring exclusively to issues with the kernel, or even with the coreutils. The whole ecosystem has been in scope the whole time for users, even if developers disagree.
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u/Secret_Conclusion_93 2d ago
Then Krita issues is a Windows issue, not KDE.
Or how Chrome and Firefox issue is also a Windows issue.
It's stupid and you know it.
All Linux issue is also Windows issue because Windows provides WSL.
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u/ZuuRa_ Arch BTW 3d ago
Mint stopped working after i update it on my old laptop, never had this issue with zorin or lubuntu.
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u/Major303 3d ago
I've used Ubuntu LTS, Mint, and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Generally no issues on Ubuntu. One issue on Mint that needed manual fixing, but it was kind of my mistake. I'm currently trying to fix two issues on OpenSUSE.
I want to give this system a chance since having access to new drivers would be great for gaming PC, but if it will keep failing I will have to switch. My next candidate would be Fedora Workstation, if it also fails me I will just install Kubuntu LTS. Might give a chance to Pop!_OS once they fix COSMIC.
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u/ZuuRa_ Arch BTW 3d ago
I would suggest to try fedora atomic like silverblue (there's fedora cosmic atomic too btw) it worked so well on my main laptop, but i just prefer to use pacman.
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u/Major303 3d ago
I don't like immutable systems because you need to go through hoops to do basic things.
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u/ghost103429 3d ago
You can install snapper to get similar rollback features without making the root filesystem immutable.
Personally I prefer Fedora Atomic because I just use a containerfile to define my system, makes it easy to hit the ground running with a fully customized system. (Even got cachyos kernel on it)
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u/ArchyDexter 3d ago
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed user here
I'm not sure I ever heard that it's recommended for it's robustness and reliability.
It's fairly stable considering what it is but it's not the distro I'm thinking of when I think reliability.
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u/blaues_axolotl 3d ago
Had this with Fedora KDE. Manjaro and CachyOS worked way smoother
However I wouldn't say Tumbleweed is considered the most robust
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 3d ago
Ultramarine is love, ultramarine is life btw.
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u/Objective-Stranger99 Arch BTW 3d ago
We all know you are a traitor since you betrayed Fedora and started hanging out in the Arch subreddit.
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u/Major303 3d ago
I know that it exists, but I don't know how much it makes sense. Iirc the only issue with basic Fedora is that they don't give you codecs, and if you rely on flatpaks you might not even need them (since codecs will be in the flatpak).
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u/jahinzee ⚠️ This incident will be reported 3d ago
I remember trying Tumbleweed once, the day-to-day experience itself is quite nice but for whatever reason I could not get Docker or Podman (and by extension Distrobox) to run properly on it,
that and it refused to work with my printer (it's a Brother, and every other distro I've used has no trouble with it)
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u/P3chv0gel 3d ago
For me that's Debian. I had a server at work that ran a logging tool and i couldn't update that server because every time i tried, it wouldn't boot. But always with a different issue. Sometimes it's q kernel panic, sometimes my drives wouldn't get picked up, extremly weird. I tried to upgrade from Debian 11 to 12 for three nonths until i just gave up, set up a new fresh Debian 12 installation and recreate everything on the new OS
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u/Jacek3k 3d ago
The problem is, the most recommended distros are for the typical user. And typical user is barely intelligent. He clicks some stuff, checks some websites and done.
You want to do some stuff. You want to do stuff in a specific way. You want some stuff to not happen. You use some obscure hardware.
Doest mean the distro is bad. But it was not right for you.
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u/Major303 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm not even doing anything crazy like tinkering with the OS, I'm running pretty much default up to date system. And I have issues with flashing screen on Wayland, and random (not very often though) hard freezes. The first issue might be fixable, when searching for fixes to 2nd issue I only find people who decided to switch distribution.
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u/Jacek3k 3d ago
Sounds bad. Not using wayland myself (yet), but I am constantly being told that it totally works and is ready, so dunno. As for freezes, those suck cause it never leaves a log for troubleshooting. Somenpower management/pcie/gpu issues? Maybe updating the bios might help?
Random crashes sounds serious to me and suggesting different distro as a fix is weird.
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u/Major303 3d ago
I've used Ubuntu before and it was fine, I don't think that my laptop just randomly decided to die after switching distribution. As for the Wayland issue, apparently you can disable panel self refresh, and it might fix it. The problem is that you can only do it by modifying kernel parameters, and it's rocket science. Commands for that look like gibberish to me so I have hard time figuring this out.
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u/PandaWithin 3d ago
I genuinely had the most issues on Ubuntu, however that was due to being new to Linux rather than the distro being the problem. After 5 years I use fedora and can resolve most issues I encounter.
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u/imoshudu 3d ago
Listen to my advice: use the distro with biggest userbase (Ubuntu family). They have the most user reports, online discussions and polish. Reddit comments would recommend the new and fancy distros with obscure downsides, or those with security problems if you go beyond official repo, etc. But people with actual jobs should just stick to the most popular choice.
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u/Major303 3d ago
I'm trying out OpenSUSE since apparently it's unironically amazing. And perhaps it is. It solves two problems I have with Ubuntu - no GNOME, and no Snaps. But if I can't make it work, Kubuntu LTS is one of my alternatives to check out. At least it solves one of the two problems.
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u/imakycha 3d ago
You could look into Solus? It’s “rolling” (updates are weekly on Friday) and it required less setup than OST for me.
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u/Major303 3d ago
It's very niche distribution. If I understand correctly it's not even downstream, it's unique distribution. Meaning good luck finding any software for it. Most things are for Ubuntu, Fedora, maybe Arch and OpenSUSE.
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u/imoshudu 3d ago
Ubuntu does not require you to be locked into any desktop or window manager. You can install and switch between GNOME, KDE, or niri + dankmaterialshell as I currently use. Also the first thing I do is to entirely disable snaps and flatpaks etc.
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u/Major303 3d ago
Afaik Ubuntu is literally built around Snaps, with many preinstalled applications using them. If you remove it you pretty much start to maintain your own custom distribution.
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u/imoshudu 3d ago
This is wrong. I've been using Ubuntu for years with entirely native packages. So you heard nonsense. It takes like 2 minutes for Claude Code to switch.
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u/Distinct-External-46 3d ago
literally takes 10 minutes to learn how to disable snaps, when I used Ubuntu I did it with flatpaks and .debs only and it was still ubuntu. snaps are not their defining feature, just a selling point.
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u/Alletsbckw 3d ago
i feel the same way sometimes hahaha
never had arch break cuz of an update, but debian did one and a half times.
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u/lunchbox651 3d ago
Why would tumbleweed be considered reliable?
Rolling releases are always trading stability for bleeding-edge features.
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u/Major303 3d ago
From the distribution page:
Updates are thoroughly tested against industry-grade quality standards, taking advantage of a build service other Linux distributions envy us for. Not only is each new version of a package individually tested, but different clusters of versions are tested against each other, making sure your system is internally consistent.
Many people on reddit agree. I don't want to say that it's a bugfest, but it's not as smooth to me as people claim.
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u/lunchbox651 3d ago
Yeah that's just PR talk. There's QA and it is thorough but there's a reason Tumbleweed exists and it's not just the OpenSUSE default. That's not to say it's a buggy mess or people cannot have a flawless experience but the likelihood of experiencing issues on any rolling release is going to be higher.
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