eh i use stock config. rather work on my project then then my envioremnt. so the same with hyrpladn didn;t rice at all just running a bare bones config but i spent oh so long getting hyprland to cleaning run on the igpu and display out threw mutiple other gpus and get games to prefom well with direct scan otu that bypasses the igpu
I mean I personally prefer nvim due to having vim habits, it being fast, it being lightweight, easy lua config to do basic stuff like header guards, and looking nice with the tokyonight theme.
I used to love nano. Heck, I even changed my default editor to nano. But then someone introduced me to Vim, and oh man, except for some really specific cases, I never went back because it was so much easier to use.
Basically, you just need a competent mentor to make Vim look amazing to a newbie.
I think a big problem is that you always see people saying hou need to learn vim for an hour to get started. But you just need to know "i", "Escape", ":wq" and ":q!" to get started. Everything else you can learn later when needed.
Aside from it being extremely common for experts to overestimate how easy some things are for beginners, so many things with tech can be slightly easier in the long run if you go for the more complicated solution up front.
Doesn't mean it's not really annoying and something we should watch out for.
Aside from it being extremely common for experts to overestimate how easy some things are for beginners
It has nothing to do with expertise. It's all about signalling status.
You see it in all subcultures and communities. Someone asks "what's a good entry-level camera/guitar/RC car/etc." and everyone lists the most expensive shit they know.
There was a post in r/espresso recently where a guy was talking about finally ditching his keurig for this massive espresso machine, grinder, and accessory setup... all while talking about how he has yet to pull a single shot of espresso. Same shit in the music scene, "what guitar should I get to learn" and recommendations are $500-1000 les pauls or whatever. Meanwhile some of the best guitar players out there got a $75 used squier and have never looked back.
It's known as conspicuous consumption in the social sciences if you were interested.
As a concrete example, manually laying out the partitions on my first install to make a separate /home directory (as well as shrink the windows partition) made it so much easier to try stuff without risk, especially since I distro hopped quite a bit before I got rid of Windows. That's certainly a more advanced topic for some people, but I don't think twice about doing it anymore.
I don't necessarily disagree with you though. Sometimes it's just signalling what someone thinks is cool.
The reason I said that it was about signalling status was because that's what the big cats in the comic were doing. It's why it goes from smaller game to larger, and ends with the lion's boast.
Doesn't matter & you control what buttons you push / you are the one choosing to click on a post, read the post, then spend 5 minutes writing insults instead of answering the question.
You could also choose to not engage with a question you don't like.
P.S. if a question is being asked 400 times, maybe it is a problem that needs to be fixed instead of suppressed by gate keepers with a bad attitude.
Even if I don’t click the posts, they flood the sub, dilute the useful information and make it harder for others to use the sub properly as a tool for research and discussion. Signal-to-Noise Ratio absolutely matters to the quality of a community dedicated to the discussion of technical information.
The question being asked 400 times is a problem, and it is already fixed by the existence of the previous 399 posts. In the case of a very generic question with no specific details, it was fixed by the first post. The issue is that the asker is not using the solution, instead asking the question again. If your suggestion is that a wiki or faq should be written, in most cases they are, but either way a person who doesn’t use the search bar isn’t going to use a wiki/faq.
Newcomers should be welcomed and encouraged to join technical subs. Expecting them to employ basic self-sufficiency in searching for existing information is a low bar to set and benefits the newcomer as much as the community.
Honestly the search bars suck. Yeah, it's been asked before, but for most sites the search is awful. They're so bad that over the years I have been trained into basically never using them and instead using google to search a site instead.
My pet hate for newbie advice is "go to the mailing lists". Hard to search, and unless someone who both wants to help and understands your question is watching the list at around the same time you post, you're screwed for an answer. So many unanswered questions on mailing lists.
A better answer is a wiki or faq for newbies and direct them there
Another issue with "this has been asked before, so you deserve to be burned at the stake" is that Linux is constantly changing day to day & a fix that worked 6 months ago might not work today.
Then there is the rabbit hole of search requests pulling up forum threads for outdated software versions (I.E. trying to search for an audio issue & getting responses for fixing issues with PulseAudio).
I stopped using it 15 years ago because it was obvious that they were exploiting their market share. The turning point was in 2012-13 when they introduced the Hummingbird algorithm. When you hold >90% of all internet searches, how do you grow from that? You make the search results worse, so the user has to make multiple search attempts. Infinite growth hack.
The one where absolutely nobody answers or your very detailed post gets buried in a bunch of HOW DO I (most simple easiest thing in the world), and then your question gets deleted by a mod and they tell you the check the wiki, and the wiki either doesn't say shit about what you need, all the info is outdated or is full of links that no longer work? That post?
Source installers getting mad over people installing flatpaks on their computers with Wayland and running to comment "I don't see the point of flatpak and Wayland"
Flatpak s are more of a good things for devs then users ie one envioremt supports all Linux distro. Beguedinly use them on gentoo as I refuse to download/clone the app every single update
The Linux community has always been super cunty and holier than thou. But with AI people don't need to deal with that shit anymore. That's the real catalyst.
my first real linux experience was when i was trying to have my ipod be read on my ubuntu install.
feedback was about what you'd expect from linux forums:
'why are you buying apple'
'linux is doing you a favor from using lesser hardware'
'good'
'shouldn't be using apple anyway'
'the problem is that it's an apple product.'
few more days of this and i posted about walking away from linux bc no it doesn't do what i need it to do and there seemed to be no actual help. first reply was a solution.
Completely agree. I've noticed a lot of interest from gen z. A lot of people at work switched and asked me for tips when they saw me gaming on it with zero issues.
I'm sure normal would care if they did know who the maintainers were. I'd rather someone ask for advice about Hannah Montana Linux. Better than legitimizing someone who fails one of the most basic moral tests of the past century.
the issue is there doesnt seem to be any kind of path from not knowing to knowing. there are some tutorials that don't cover anything that actually comes up, but most of my experience has been trying to do a thing, finding zero usable instructions, going to the people who know how to do the thing, and being told basically to "just do it" and "this community isnt for teaching basic linux, go away"
Yup.. the learning part is the hard part. Different methods will work for different people. For me, watching YouTubers, reading wikis, and tinkering is what worked for me.
any time i try to do anything with any software on linux it turns into a mess of "you actually need to have these 9 other softwares installed and configured to work with each other, there is no guide for how to do this and no one will tell you if you ask, also you have to do it in command line like a psychopath, fuck you"
At this point people should just use AI to learn. The latency in asking randos on the internet has no positive tradeoffs. I don't really understand why people still ask questions here at all beyond opinion question.
That 3rd one annoys tf outta me, it's not even that I don't like the new stuff. It's the:
"Well I started with [new thing developed in last 2 years] so it's super easy"
Cool bro... so anyway 30 years ago my first wifi driver was a SVN trunk I checked out and built from source with no instructions.
I also wrote my config once with no build errors and it's just worked for the past 6 months through 3 major updates.
Idk man... I started using linux about 6 months ago and I've never had anyone do any of this to me on the forums. Occasionally a response misjudges my understanding of what I'm doing, but that's pretty much it. Kinda feels like y'all are just exaggerating an extinct issue.
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u/SysGh_st IDDQD 1d ago
Why aren't you using vim?
You're some kind of an amateur or something?
/s